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Quote (lepInTheHood @ 12 Apr 2014 00:23)
walls of text


Atleast i got smt to say ^^,


Still in the making, but seems like ill be waiting for both NL's - New Ladder and Non Ladder! :D
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Quote (sininetraktor @ Apr 10 2014 10:20pm)
My current ES PvP sorc atm goes like this:
lvl 79

854 hp
990 mana

70 fcr
61 fhr
40% block

75 fr
35 cr (got swap gear for 145 cr stack)
34 lr

+4 all
20 telek, only hard points work with telek :)
16 + 4 + 5(precast) = 25 (80%), will max this later
20 + 4 = 24 firewall
20 + 4 = 24 warmth
7  +  4 = 24 firemastery

6.1k firewall dmg atm :), but when finished at lvl 96, with max ES, Telek, Warmth, Firewall and mastery, with +4 the dmg will be around 8.9k :)

Fire dmg is useless for cs(so many immunes), but still this works quite nice atm, as it can survive quite well, even without bo :)
With bo nn to pot mana unless takes some dmg


With 80% es the damages in pvp goes something like this:

For 10k hammer = 800 dmg to mana 250 dmg to life. So im aiming for 1 - 1.1k mana in the future and 1k life as then less chance that mana will get burned :)
but still atm can tank 1 hammer without losing all the mana, since warmth is always keeping mana quite high, especially when pot is on aswell :)
For 6k fb = 480 dmg to mana and 150 to life, but the dmg to life also gets reduced based on fr, so with 75fr, dmg to life is ~75!!
with cold dmg it's a bit different since the mastery doesnt increase dmg, but lowers res. What that means is that the dmg to life is a bit high, but dmg to mana is lower.
So 3k blizz dmg is 240 dmg to mana, but ~188 dmg to life(160 cr stack and 24cm, which is -135cr).

Hope this helps, just what i've learnt about ES so far :)
I'm going firewall for fun atm, but those 60 pts can also be put in orb, bolt and mastery :)
Or what ever strikes your mind :D


Pretty dead standard ES build except you use firewall

Has this conversation swapped from whats a good es sorc for botting cs to pvp? haha

High mana/high rep life is something worth looking at
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Quote (sininetraktor @ Apr 11 2014 11:42pm)
Atleast i got smt to say ^^,

http://www.upload.ee/image/3995419/FWSorc.jpg
Still in the making, but seems like ill be waiting for both NL's - New Ladder and Non Ladder! :D


ty for pic and id like to duel you, maybe i get a scld char ^_^

but for firewaller i wouldnt use frosts (even if it seems very tempting^^)

you lose a +1 from magefists (which is really needed on fw as well)
and your res go down A LOT.

why is it so important to have nice res?
you can use a high stats amu (maybe even without res or) single res, take a 17 fhr shield and maybe even get a 3 socketed mask with 114 mana (3 psaphs)
then you got faster block rate, which is nb if you have to stand so much as a fwaller has to, and can get high stats as well

ill let you know how my fwaller turned out! :)
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Quote (notVita @ 12 Apr 2014 06:50)
Pretty dead standard ES build except you use firewall

Has this conversation swapped from whats a good es sorc for botting cs to pvp? haha

High mana/high rep life is something worth looking at


mm For cs you can go, frosties soj, fcr ring, fcr amu, 17/30/20 prism sheild, shard, hots etc. would still get 70 fcr and could still get 61 fhr bp. But also you would still have 65% max mana, so can put more in vit and less in ene :)
Also can go with less pts in es and thus go with blizz or smt, 20 blizz, 20 mastery, 20 blast, 10 bolt, 20 telek 10 es or w/e :)
100-150 ene, rest vit :)

But also the same build im using, but with tri res eq can be viable, just maybe more pts in ene, so more survivable manawise and use orb(though low dmg)...

Quote (GMkasparov @ 12 Apr 2014 08:42)
ty for pic and id like to duel you, maybe i get a scld char ^_^

but for firewaller i wouldnt use frosts (even if it seems very tempting^^)

you lose a +1 from magefists (which is really needed on fw as well)
and your res go down A LOT.

why is it so important to have nice res?
you can use a high stats amu (maybe even without res or) single res, take a 17 fhr shield and maybe even get a 3 socketed mask with 114 mana (3 psaphs)
then you got faster block rate, which is nb if you have to stand so much as a fwaller has to, and can get high stats as well

ill let you know how my fwaller turned out! :)


I like forsties!! :)
But also, my numbers seem to like them
Mana reg with 990 mana(as with 90% max mana), 24 warmth = 33 mana/sec (156 ene)
Mana reg with 782 mana(as with 50% max mana), 25 warmth + 25% reg = 28,51 mana/sec (156 ene)
Mana reg with 990 mana(as with 50% max mana), 25 warmth + 25% reg = 36,32 mana/sec (~220 ene) 70 pts that would be used in ene = 140 life :S

Though the 3 soc idea i've given some thought aswell, but i was considering 3pruby, to stack enough hp to not needfhr :)
as with dmg that is under 8% of total/max/current(dont know which 1) hp does not trigger recovery :) but it isn't very do able in reality ^^ so it was more of a daydream :D
Maybe 4 pruby soc armor or smt, but not worth the money if it even exist :D
And the res can be achieved with the current build im going for, just takes some effort :) for 160 cr pvp stack it can be viewed through max stack possible with gear im using (helm 30, armor 30, belt 30, boots 40, amu 60/40 if single res, 10@ shard)
Max cr stack with perf gear is 200/180, so that means i could shave res here and there with cr gear and have 160 stack and for fire usually need only 125 stack, so even with dual res gear it can be achieved :)

And for block, dunno lol, but as some1 in pm said that you'll learn to dodge barboons with np as sosos tend to go for staff and no block ^^.
But as this is all still in testing, the outcome is yet to be produced, but good discussion so far, gives some food for the mind.
Hope u get ur's up and running, can't wait to duel 1 :D

This post was edited by sininetraktor on Apr 12 2014 03:08am
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Quote (sininetraktor @ Apr 12 2014 10:07am)
mm For cs you can go, frosties soj, fcr ring, fcr amu, 17/30/20 prism sheild, shard, hots etc. would still get 70 fcr and could still get 61 fhr bp. But also you would still have 65% max mana, so can put more in vit and less in ene :)
Also can go with less pts in es and thus go with blizz or smt, 20 blizz, 20 mastery, 20 blast, 10 bolt, 20 telek 10 es or w/e :)
100-150 ene, rest vit :)

But also the same build im using, but with tri res eq can be viable, just maybe more pts in ene, so more survivable manawise and use orb(though low dmg)...



I like forsties!! :)
But also, my numbers seem to like them
Mana reg with 990 mana(as with 90% max mana), 24 warmth = 33 mana/sec (156 ene)
Mana reg with 782 mana(as with 50% max mana), 25 warmth + 25% reg = 28,51 mana/sec (156 ene)
Mana reg with 990 mana(as with 50% max mana), 25 warmth + 25% reg = 36,32 mana/sec (~220 ene) 70 pts that would be used in ene = 140 life :S

Though the 3 soc idea i've given some thought aswell, but i was considering 3pruby, to stack enough hp to not needfhr :)
as with dmg that is under 8% of total/max/current(dont know which 1) hp does not trigger recovery :) but it isn't very do able in reality ^^ so it was more of a daydream :D
Maybe 4 pruby soc armor or smt, but not worth the money if it even exist :D
And the res can be achieved with the current build im going for, just takes some effort :) for 160 cr pvp stack it can be viewed through max stack possible with gear im using (helm 30, armor 30, belt 30, boots 40, amu 60/40 if single res, 10@ shard)
Max cr stack with perf gear is 200/180, so that means i could shave res here and there with cr gear and have 160 stack and for fire usually need only 125 stack, so even with dual res gear it can be achieved :)

And for block, dunno lol, but as some1 in pm said that you'll learn to dodge barboons with np as sosos tend to go for staff and no block ^^.
But as this is all still in testing, the outcome is yet to be produced, but good discussion so far, gives some food for the mind.
Hope u get ur's up and running, can't wait to duel 1 :D


as for the block: i meant vs bowas / chargers mostly, barbs can be avoided in 1v1, harder in tvt imo

yes ladder is a bit different but i would really love to duel you

IF SOMEONE READS THIS HERE AND HAS GOT A LADDER SORC TO DUEL WITH - PLS GIVE ME ACCESS ! ^^
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Apr 14 2014 01:18pm
ES is very very bad for pvm in classic. Works great in xpac. Don't do it.
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