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Nov 7 2022 10:47am
Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ 7 Nov 2022 17:45)
It’s not a pvm hybrid

It’s a tiger strike sin


Tiger strike +finisher dragon tail is 40k fire blast damage
And 7k trap dmg is lightning
So its a kind of hybrid
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Nov 8 2022 01:39am
Quote (mananvar @ Nov 7 2022 11:58pm)
Plague does nothing for your traps when used on the sin.
Phoenix shield does nothing for your traps.

They're utterly pointless for a trap sin, even dual spirit is better than that. Redemption would consume the corpses you need for death sentry.

You can use them, you can use whatever, a naked assassin can do some hell runs, but it doesn't help.

Fade is largely useless for me because I use BoS anyway for trap laying speed and resists are maxed anyway, but you can spend one point (+skills) on Fade if you feel you need it. The DR on it would be nice, but a trap sin isn't supposed to get hit.

Shadow master can cast traps, thus overriding my traps, so no.


Quote (balint0203 @ Nov 8 2022 03:31am)
dual plague is best for hybrid sin


Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Nov 8 2022 03:37am)
Not even remotely

Fury is better than plague.

For pvm, skill distribution has remained completely unchanged.

You still max death sentry. You still max LS and synergies. You still dump the rest of your points into fire blast.

This is how little blizzard knows about their game. They make a change geared towards pvm, and the change has no effect on pvm.


Thanks guys for your input

So I have a question

The reason why Plague doesn't help traps is because it has no IAS? Hence why magic claws are the winner?
Also are you the real Bui or are you a fan of Bui? XD
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Nov 8 2022 08:53am
Quote (playlist @ Nov 8 2022 01:39am)
Thanks guys for your input

So I have a question

The reason why Plague doesn't help traps is because it has no IAS? Hence why magic claws are the winner?
Also are you the real Bui or are you a fan of Bui? XD



Bui is just a extremely mediocre dueler but a MASSIVE scammer.

Here is him trying to pay someone to throw a duel:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92333111&f=250


Here is him admitting to scamming:
https://postimg.cc/8FMk2073[/url]


Beat Bui literally every time we have sin v sin over the 9ish years I’ve been here.

Countless times I had to stop cash trades he was trying to do. in a $ disco channel because he was lying about the value and usefulness of his items to try to get a sale. He is pretty pathetic. Luckily he got kicked out.

This post was edited by Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins on Nov 8 2022 08:57am
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Nov 8 2022 11:34pm
That offering 40 percent was definitely shady xD but nonetheless he's still a skilled dueler imo.

Even you once acknowledged that he has more skills than you, and afaik you are very good with sin
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Quote (playlist @ 8 Nov 2022 07:39)
Thanks guys for your input

So I have a question

The reason why Plague doesn't help traps is because it has no IAS? Hence why magic claws are the winner?
Also are you the real Bui or are you a fan of Bui? XD


Here's Plague:



20% chance to cast lower resist when struck.
Getting hit up to 5 times (possibly more, depending on luck) to trigger a small area lower resist is stupid. As a trap assassin, you don't want to get hit. No trap assassin (which is what we were talking about) wants to get hit ONCE, never mind FIVE times.

25% chance to cast poison nova on striking. This can be disregarded, zero effect. As a trap assassin, you're never going to HIT. If you go into melee range to hit mobs, you're just being stupid. You have no damage, you have no tanky build, you're going to do zero damage and get yourself killed. And if you don't, then you have a 1/4 chance to cast a poison nova. Big fucking deal.

The cleansing aura is nice, but it does nothing for your damage - I'll get back to this.

The +skills would be alright IF you always got +2 and IF you had some 3s claws with +3 lightning sentry, perhaps.

However, the last 4 stats on the runeword make it clear that this runeword is meant for melee.

-23% to enemy poison resistance couple with chance to cast poison nova. Obviously a trap assassin doesn't do melee damage and has no poison skills. A melee one might find it useful for venom.
- deadly strike does nothing for a trapsin. That's - again - for melee
- chance of open wounds does nothing for trapsin. Again, it's for melee.
- freeze target +3 - again, that does nothing for a trapsin.

It's quite obvious a runeword meant for melee. As a trap assasin, the only thing that you'd benefit from would be the chance to cast lower resist. That would help with your traps. BUT in order for that to happen, you need to get hit. Therefore, it becomes clear that this would be best on a merc (a5 barb). This would give you the lower resist, it would cast the poison nova (with -poison resistance, although that's not going to do a lot of damage), it does allow your merc to do some damage, it does allow your merc to freeze a target (and to use deadly strike and open wounds). The cleansing aura will also work on you even if the weapon is equipped on the merc. So this is ...the poor man's infinity, in a way. Some people use dual plague on their mercs; others use plague + lawbringer on their mercs.

Would this be nice with +2 skills in a 3os claw with +3 LS and whatever else? Yes, absolutely, BUT not at this cost (cham + um + cost of the base)....and you get spirit (both sword and shield) for a fraction of the cost. Not only will that give you +4 skills, but it will also help in other areas (mana to spam traps, some absorb, some vitality, high resists overal, high fhr, defense vs missiles - good against archer packsl).

Considering the cost of this runeword, even a hoto would be cheaper, and more reliable (always +3), not to mention way more useful; even the worst hoto would come with 30 res all, 40% fcr (useful for hitting breakpoints to teleport around) and that oak sage isn't half bad either.

IAS in a plague runeword? Yeah, it's nice, but with Burst of Speed and some gloves you're past the breakpoint anyway - and you want the faster rw it grants anyway.

Of course, if you were to find some 3os runic talons with +3 LS and maybe some other useful staff mod, you could try to create a plague runeword in it and hope for +2 skills, it wouldn't hurt; but even then, it's difficult to justify it - chances are you can buy a +5/+6 LS claw for less than the cost of the runes from one of the people using shop bots.
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Nov 9 2022 04:06am
Well I have a Plague claw with +2 skills +3 LS, and I use Phoenix on switch, I don't use death sentry much, so I have endless supply of mana/life. I use infinity merc + the lower resist from getting hit is gg.
I use Fade so I have 50% DR, plus the Phoenix resists for fire and light boosted. I tele into mobs, cast traps and a few seconds later everything dies lol

it's pretty good PvM I've found but ofcourse, 3/3 GT's and using death sentry is just as good. Nothing beats the classic Witch-Hunters or Cunning claws, <3 the originals
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Nov 11 2022 06:26pm
Quote (balint0203 @ Nov 8 2022 03:47am)
Tiger strike +finisher dragon tail is 40k fire blast damage
And 7k trap dmg is lightning
So its a kind of hybrid



Oh wow 40k?? Do you have a build for this? I’d love to try it
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Nov 12 2022 06:49am
Quote (playlist @ 12 Nov 2022 01:26)
Oh wow 40k?? Do you have a build for this? I’d love to try it


it seems like you want for pvp
i made that for hc pvm, not for pvp sorry.
you can do over 70k if you only go for tiger claw and not use traps, but you have charge it before you can make that dmg
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Nov 12 2022 01:44pm
Quote (balint0203 @ Nov 12 2022 11:49pm)
it seems like you want for pvp
i made that for hc pvm, not for pvp sorry.
you can do over 70k if you only go for tiger claw and not use traps, but you have charge it before you can make that dmg



No I want it for pvm. I’m a pvm player
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Nov 14 2022 12:59am
Quote (playlist @ 9 Nov 2022 10:06)
Well I have a Plague claw with +2 skills +3 LS, and I use Phoenix on switch, I don't use death sentry much, so I have endless supply of mana/life. I use infinity merc + the lower resist from getting hit is gg.
I use Fade so I have 50% DR, plus the Phoenix resists for fire and light boosted. I tele into mobs, cast traps and a few seconds later everything dies lol

it's pretty good PvM I've found but ofcourse, 3/3 GT's and using death sentry is just as good. Nothing beats the classic Witch-Hunters or Cunning claws, <3 the originals


Ok, but this isn't how a trapsin is played if you want to be effective.

Death sentry means that your traps kill one mob and then your screen blows up (on p1; higher difficulties require more CE to clear packs). So a "normal" trapsin would throw 4 lightning traps + 1 death sentry and clear the screen. Mana and hp are not a problem. I'd rather spam pots than lose death sentry.

Phoenix isn't a trapsin shield. The best stuff on it is +ed (useless for trapsins) and -fire res (useless, doesn't work with traps). Even a spirit monarch would be better.

Phoenix is generally used by fire sorcs and auradins. Trapsins benefit more from either spirit monarchs or +5/+6 claws. Since you already have +5 with plague, sure, use it, no reason not to, but those runes have been pretty much wasted - plague would've been far better for you on an a5 merc (unless you use infinity on an a2 merc).

There's nothing wrong with playing a class the way that's fun for you, but what you described is far from optimal.
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