It’s not indestructible. You need indestructible weapons for pvm


You made a big mistake with botd. Take the loss and move on. Or make a second botd and be much worse than 2x grief Pb.

Those are really your options.


2x grief Pb are probably about 2x better than 2x botd

even when you have enough ll out of other items? i believed soe is only superior when you are in need of ll?

oh i see now, its strange because before i started to gear ww barb up i googled what best weapons are and many said botd thats why i was going for them

SoE also has magic damahe reduced on it.

SoE is by far better than dungos for pvm. It’s not even close.


You can play how you want. But you are playing football while wearing flip flops. Sure they are technically shoes.

Idk where you found that info.

I would guess either reddit or YouTube.

Both of which are terrible sources of info.

And the streamers are dumb AF

it was a diablo forum, cant tell the name right now
ANd for what build could i use a eth botd ba?

Nothing pvm Grief is just so much better.

It’s really only a melee vs melee pvp weapon. Primarily for concentration Barb. Or a budget fury Druid.



In melee vs melee, without getting into specifics, grief is banned.

To clarify, grief is banned in melee vs melee.

Whirlwind is not considered melee


But this is for pvp. And not to be an asshole, but if you rhis reluctant to realize that grief is better than botd, it’s not worth either of are time explaining the intricacies of pvp

alright i understand now, guess im going for griefs then, thanks for your help

last question, whats a good amount of AR i should have using ww?

playing since 20 years d2 and never was into pvp and i doubt i will ever start it, atleast not hld
Im only kinda interested in lld and might try this out at some point