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Jan 5 2022 10:47am
Quote (Overpriced @ Jan 5 2022 10:37am)
Yes both the 2 os are expensive. The point is, the circlet route is far superior except in just 2 matchups, where pelt build is just slightly better. In every matchup except those 2, a 2/20/30/1 socket circlet is better than a 2/10/3-life/2os pelt. The availability of a circ and 30frw, along with a unique ring slot for wisp for example, is much more valuable than the the pelt build, which requires you to use arach + 2x rare rings. Which means you build has virtually no defensive capabilities to it b


Which is why the Circlet is on the swap. Wisp and Lo are for specific matchups, much like double Ravens or Dwarfs or whatever. Ideally I'd invest in another 2/20/30/@res (which would be like 1-2k starting) to pair with a jeweled WizSpike for Sorbing (leaving both rings slots for dual Dwarf, Ravens, or whatever). Physical Matchups would be a 2/20/30 Ber with Dungos if I needed it, but already two more Circlets is cheaper than 1 with 2 os.

Quote (Stefbef @ Jan 5 2022 10:38am)
suicide branch gives more life, pelt can have 10 fhr which saves you 40 life from sc's (diadem can have life too i guess but it's very uncommon)

the best high life non oak setup is:
2 druid 10 fhr 3 nado jahjah pelt 40 life
enigma (5% life, no hybrid crap)
sop monarch (on legacy else just spirit ofc)
2 druid 18+ fcr high str 55+ life amu
10 fcr str 55+ life xx mana ring
10 fcr 55+ life xx repl xx mana ring
shadow dancers
arach
mages vs necro > trang tbh with big stash now
9 ele sks 45 life
1 small charm 5 fhr for 99 fhr bp
9x 20-5 (or 20-17 vs necro whatever with big stash now)


the thing is you NEED to have this extra life from sui and pelt combined, there is no way to get 4200 life with a hoto setup without oak, therefore there is no way to get the 37.5% fhr animation/5 spear goal with a hoto setup

and if ur wondering if its also do'able without sop monarch, yes u can get 4200 with spirit


I'm not even at the stage to min max on life, so it would be coming up with the best vita set up using a basic 5 nado 2 socket pelt, some mid level vita GCs (mid-high 30s), some str/life rings, and a basic 2/20/10+ life amulet. This is my current set up or trajectory plan, assuming I can recuperate more costs this coming ladder to buy the rest of the basics.
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Jan 5 2022 10:48am
Quote (eric1014153 @ Jan 5 2022 10:47am)
Which is why the Circlet is on the swap. Wisp and Lo are for specific matchups, much like double Ravens or Dwarfs or whatever. Ideally I'd invest in another 2/20/30/@res (which would be like 1-2k starting) to pair with a jeweled WizSpike for Sorbing (leaving both rings slots for dual Dwarf, Ravens, or whatever). Physical Matchups would be a 2/20/30 Ber with Dungos if I needed it, but already two more Circlets is cheaper than 1 with 2 os.



I'm not even at the stage to min max on life, so it would be coming up with the best vita set up using a basic 5 nado 2 socket pelt, some mid level vita GCs (mid-high 30s), some str/life rings, and a basic 2/20/10+ life amulet. This is my current set up or trajectory plan, assuming I can recuperate more costs this coming ladder to buy the rest of the basics.



Circlet is the main setup

Pelt is the swap.
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Jan 5 2022 10:52am
Quote (Overpriced @ Jan 5 2022 10:48am)
Circlet is the main setup

Pelt is the swap.


Lets rewind a bit. Assuming Circlet becomes my main mod, should I go ahead and use the 2/20/30/10 rep as my main for now? Or should I aim for one with specific mods. The assumption here is that I pair the 2/20/30 10 rep with hoto, and 30/10 life rep boots to cap the necessary life gain allowed in general GM duels, and then instead of using Lo I put something else like a Shael and do double Wisp instead when I'm against trap.

20 Shael, 10 from boots, 55 spirit, 12 from gc, 5 from SC puts me just over the 99 fhr spot.

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Jan 5 2022 10:59am
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Lets rewind a bit. Assuming Circlet becomes my main mod, should I go ahead and use the 2/20/30/10 rep as my main for now? Or should I aim for one with specific mods. The assumption here is that I pair the 2/20/30 10 rep with hoto, and rep boots to cap the necessary life gain allowed in general GM duels, and then instead of using Lo I put something else like a Shael and do double Wisp instead when I'm against trap.



The best Druid circlet is:
2
20
30
60 life
20 all res
2 socket

2x wisp is BM


Getting a “better” circlet is about how much fg you are willing to pay. But in terms of having a specific budget, you will get much more out of your Druid by spending a specific amount on your circlet build first, rather than using that specific amount on your pelt build which willl only be used vs 2 1v1 matchups. And Given your budget, it’s unlikely that you will hit the 4200 non oak life BP in your pelt build, which therefore makes your pelt build inferior to your circlet build.


Long story short, by far, the best way to build a Druid on a budget is using your budget for your circlet build first. Then later you can make the decision to dump more into the Druid, you can make the decision on if you are dumping even more into circ build, or if you should make a pelt build if you find yourself doing alot of dvn (Druid vs necro).

For Druid vs hdin, circlet build is only slightly worse than pelt build. And on both circlet and pelt build, you already have matchup advantage vs hdin because of your 5 wolfs

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Jan 5 2022 11:02am
Quote (eric1014153 @ 5 Jan 2022 17:52)
Lets rewind a bit. Assuming Circlet becomes my main mod, should I go ahead and use the 2/20/30/10 rep as my main for now? Or should I aim for one with specific mods. The assumption here is that I pair the 2/20/30 10 rep with hoto, and 30/10 life rep boots to cap the necessary life gain allowed in general GM duels, and then instead of using Lo I put something else like a Shael and do double Wisp instead when I'm against trap.

20 Shael, 10 from boots, 55 spirit, 12 from gc, 5 from SC puts me just over the 99 fhr spot.


replenish life is pretty much worthless on druids. i would aim for life str or @
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Jan 5 2022 11:07am
Quote (Stefbef @ Jan 5 2022 11:02am)
replenish life is pretty much worthless on druids. i would aim for life str or @



Rep life is insanely powerful on Druid due to their ability to constantly scale its effectiveness by dropping oak, and then reapplying it, thus making the life tour replenished back multiplied by your oak life % bonus.

Geez you are full of just dumb shit ideas


However, without knowinng Eric’s amulet and rings, it’s hard to say if he should aim for Str on circlet or not. While there is obviously better circlet than what he has, it’s hard to know where his fg will be spent most effective without knowing the stats on his amulet and ring.


Additionally, it’s much easier for Druid to hit the needed Str requirements now since you don’t need extra Str to Str glitch your armor.

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Rep life is insanely powerful on Druid due to their ability to constantly scale its effectiveness by dropping oak, and then reapplying it, thus making the life tour replenished back multiplied by your oak life % bonus.

Geez you are full of just dumb shit ideas


However, without knowinng Eric’s amulet and rings, it’s hard to say if he should aim for Str on circlet or not. While there is obviously better circlet than what he has, it’s hard to know where his fg will be spent most effective without knowing the stats on his amulet and ring.


Additionally, it’s much easier for Druid to hit the needed Str requirements now since you don’t need extra Str to Str glitch your armor.


who removes their oak on purpose, i dnno what boring defensive playstyle u got, but no good druid uses replenish life

at this point ur just spitting out such dumb stuff it's just like you're actively searching to disagree with people just to be a clown

also that ''tour'' will be the same when you take damage again when ur oak dies, and since ur oak is dead over 90% of the time when u take damage like i mentioned, it's worthless, the scaling with oak also tones it down when u take damage so imagine how garbage it actually it is

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Jan 5 2022 11:11am
Quote (Overpriced @ Jan 5 2022 10:59am)
The best Druid circlet is:
2
20
30
60 life
20 all res
2 socket

2x wisp is BM


Getting a “better” circlet is about how much fg you are willing to pay. But in terms of having a specific budget, you will get much more out of your Druid by spending a specific amount on your circlet build first, rather than using that specific amount on your pelt build which willl only be used vs 2 1v1 matchups. And Given your budget, it’s unlikely that you will hit the 4200 non oak life BP in your pelt build, which therefore makes your pelt build inferior to your circlet build.


Long story short, by far, the best way to build a Druid on a budget is using your budget for your circlet build first. Then later you can make the decision to dump more into the Druid, you can make the decision on if you are dumping even more into circ build, or if you should make a pelt build if you find yourself doing alot of dvn (Druid vs necro).

For Druid vs hdin, circlet build is only slightly worse than pelt build. And on both circlet and pelt build, you already have matchup advantage vs hdin because of your 5 wolfs


So the dilemma here is to decide whether or not I use the Circlet I have now or buy something better, despite setting me back 17-33% depending on what I find.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather finish off getting some boots, Enigma, and the Charms before venturing out and spending too much on a Circlet that is still only going to be a temp.

For Pelt I'm not considering upgrading anytime soon. I bought the 5 nado 2 os because unless I upgraded to a several grand 2/10/3/life/2 os, this was going to be the most flexible option and best for its price. Other pelts that have life and 1 os are three to five times that with minor mods, and the only thing I can see myself swapping this out for is a 5 nado/10 base/1 socket/base mod or a 5 nado/life/2 socket magic. I buy what comes to me at a good price as opposed to actively seeking out permanent pieces for full.
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Jan 5 2022 11:12am
Quote (eric1014153 @ Jan 5 2022 11:11am)
So the dilemma here is to decide whether or not I use the Circlet I have now or buy something better, despite setting me back 17-33% depending on what I find.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather finish off getting some boots, Enigma, and the Charms before venturing out and spending too much on a Circlet that is still only going to be a temp.

For Pelt I'm not considering upgrading anytime soon. I bought the 5 nado 2 os because unless I upgraded to a several grand 2/10/3/life/2 os, this was going to be the most flexible option and best for its price. Other pelts that have life and 1 os are three to five times that with minor mods, and the only thing I can see myself swapping this out for is a 5 nado/10 base/1 socket/base mod or a 5 nado/life/2 socket magic. I buy what comes to me at a good price as opposed to actively seeking out permanent pieces for full.



What rare ring and crafted amulet are you using with your circlet ?
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Jan 5 2022 11:15am
Quote (Stefbef @ Jan 5 2022 11:07am)
who removes their oak on purpose, i dnno what boring defensive playstyle u got, but no good druid uses replenish life

at this point ur just spitting out such dumb stuff it's just like you're actively searching to disagree with people just to be a clown

also that ''tour'' will be the same when you take damage again when ur oak dies, and since ur oak is dead over 90% of the time when u take damage like i mentioned, it's worthless, the scaling with oak also tones it down when u take damage so imagine how garbage it actually it is


It's a defensive tactic much like when you let your BO down, recover quickly, and then BO back up to a much higher life percentile. When you start hitting full Rep builds, you can gain significant HP base by running around and recovering. I explored these builds on my trapper, except using rare FHR Rep Jewels and Rings on claws instead.

I'm willing to commit to trying a Rep Build on a Druid seeing that it's also convenient that I spent only 150 fg on this Circlet months ago to some clueless seller, and it works against many builds
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