I would change this color to this unique.
Guide itself seemed to be good as usual.

This post was edited by RaBBit3x on Jun 3 2008 04:00am

Nice guide altho most colors are pretty annoying while reading.

Whoopsie, typo. Of course, it should read 60 (53 + 7), since it's exceptional -> elite (not normal -> exceptional).

I'll try to write it a bit more clearly,


Twitchthroe with Shael being an example of 1) and 3).

Wasted a few runes and gems testing 2), using a rare Sparkling Ball and rare Demonhide Boots, both satisfying max{rlvl_elite, rlvl_mod} = rlvl_mod. Same result in both cases: rlvl = rlvl_mod + 7.


Likewise. :-)


That will have to be their headache. If they cannot understand the simple distinction between 'rare/unique' (even the colours were used in the guide) and 'everything else', they've got a lot to learn.

Thanks for the heads up, everyone.

This post was edited by Faelwen on Jun 3 2008 09:33am

nice informations : )

Very nice info, but let me show us the next example where your way of calculating (which I also used for years and find most logical to use) is not working:

Gladiator's Bane
Defense: 1255-1496 (varies)(Base Defense: 375-481)
Required Level: 85
Required Strength: 111
Durability: 135
+150-200% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+50 Defense
Cannot Be Frozen
30% Faster Hit Recovery
Poison Length Reduced By 50%
Attacker Takes Damage Of 20
Damage Reduced By 15-20 (varies)
Magic Damage Reduced By 15-20 (varies)

What I need to know is, how do they calculate the minimum-maximum defense, the 1255-1496

I tried it as the following:

Concidering this as a superior item (bcuz it has more than 15% enhanced defence) the base defense was the max, so 481
total minimum defense = maximum base defense + 150% maximum base defense + 50 = 481 + (1,5 x 481) + 50 = 1252,5
total maximum defense = maximum base defense + 200% maximum base defense + 50 = 481 + (2,0 x 481) + 50 = 1493

As u can see my calculation gets very close but still it isn't exactly as blizzard calculated it so... Someone told me in a previous topic I made that I should count + 1 to the maximum base defense, so using the number 482.

Using defense 482 indeed gave me the resulting varieing defense of gladiator's bane between 1255-1496

HOWEVER, in your list of common upgraded uniques you state max def of perf 1 time upped frostburns is 93, which is indeed the maximum defense if u use the same calculation that didn't work for gladiator
War gauntlets base defense varies between 43-53, frostburn has 10-20% enhanced defense and +30 defense
So according the same way I tried to calculate defense for gladiator I would get:
total maximum defense = maximum base defense + 20% maximum base defense + 30 = 53 + (0,2 x 53) + 30 = 93,6 so indeed as you listed 93!

However why would it be correct here if the same calculation doesn't match the gladiator's defense that blizzard mentions? Should we not also count +1 to the maximum base defense of war gauntlets here to calculate the maximum defense of a 1 time upgraded pair of frostburns?

so 53 + 1 = 54 54 + (0,2 x 54) + 30 = 94,8 which should make max defense on a perf 1 time upgraded pair of frostburns 94 and not 93?

I haven't looked at other listed unique defenses but I found this very confusing because the calculation works for some items and for some, as u have seen in my example, it doesn't.

This post was edited by Angelus. on Jun 16 2008 11:35am

Very nice, Sticky this imo

What matters here is whether the item is upgraded or not.

Non-upgraded
All kinds of armor having the +X% Enhanced Defense modifier (be it gloves, belts, boots, body armor, shields, helms) spawn at their maximum base defense +1 when unidentified. This is a general rule that applies to magic, rare, set and unique items alike. For set and unique items, it is even stated @ the Arreat Summit,


Therefore, a non-eth unid Gladiator's Bane will always spawn at 482 (481+1) defense, because it has +X% ED (150-200%), and the subsequent defense calculation is then based on this number (482).

Minimum defense: [482*2.5] + 50 = 1255
Maximum defense: [482*3] + 50 = 1496

Which are exactly the numbers that appear @ the Arreat Summit.

Upgraded
When upgrading an item with +X% ED, the +1 to max base defense bonus is irretrievably lost, because the base defense is rerolled. There is a note on this in the guide,


Y is used in place of X, as X already denotes something else in the guide.

This explains why the defense numbers on the upgraded items listed are lower than you might expect. It is not an error - it merely reflects how the bonuses work in practice.

This post was edited by Faelwen on Jun 16 2008 12:01pm

Ah y I was reading the first post once more very thoroughly and I saw the example indeed. Thx for your reply, now I know how it works