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Yeah thats when the public method to do it was released, like 2016/2017ish, before COVID. But we had hybrids since 2011.

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you had hybrid way before that



Last Wish is a 1.10 ladder only runeword.
1.10 came with a ladder reset, so everyone would've had nothing to remove the Zod from. Though I suppose what you're saying about the characters being mixed together, which I certainly haven't heard of, would make it possible.

Can anyone else corroborate NL and ladder being mixed together at some point? I don't remember that, but it's not like I've played every single day of my life lol


there were nl / l shenanigans
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zod bugging vs E bugging. I remember the meaning of the words flipped around 2010 or so. Now I can never keep them straight.
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you had hybrid way before that

https://i.ibb.co/r2msTqQM/zephhyb.jpg



there were nl / l shenanigans


That's not a hybrid runeword... That's just a hacked item from open bnet being put on the realms. Not the same thing at all. Hybrid runeword is just one runeword but with the runes of another, so it gets the rune magic (everything that the runeword would add normally) plus the bonuses of the new runes, instead of the bonuses of the old runes. So for example, enigma of peace no longer has the bonuses of jah/ber (5% max life and 8% dr) and since the runes inside of Peace are a much lower level req, Enigma of Peace is only level req 29.

What you just posted was no different than ith bows/hex charms lol.

This post was edited by Emiliaaa on Dec 8 2025 08:27pm
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zod bugging vs E bugging. I remember the meaning of the words flipped around 2010 or so. Now I can never keep them straight.


I'm not saying you're wrong, because I can't necessarily prove otherwise, but hasn't e-bugging always implied the cube recipe used to increase the defense of eth armor through a bug? If zbugged was called "ebugged" before, then what would ebugging have been called? Just doesn't make a lotta sense in my head, but like I said, I can't really dispute your memories.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, because I can't necessarily prove otherwise, but hasn't e-bugging always implied the cube recipe used to increase the defense of eth armor through a bug? If zbugged was called "ebugged" before, then what would ebugging have been called? Just doesn't make a lotta sense in my head, but like I said, I can't really dispute your memories.


Can confirm some originally did call it ebug or zbug. They weren’t “seperate” was just a few clowns called it ebug. It wasn’t common though.

After they screwed something up and enabled what we now call ebug was strictly the defence glitch from cubing.
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Can confirm some originally did call it ebug or zbug. They weren’t “seperate” was just a few clowns called it ebug. It wasn’t common though.

After they screwed something up and enabled what we now call ebug was strictly the defence glitch from cubing.


I guess that makes sense, yeah. I've played off and on since mid 03, a few months before 1.10, but I was really young at that time, so it's not like I can remember the stuff that was said in online terminology before 2006/07ish lol.

I imagine it was probably more separated by realm, like how east west refer to things drastically different to how Europe does. My favorite being that Europe calls druids "dudu", zon "ama", and sorc "soso". So whatever realm he played on might've used that term more, but yeah, he has been playing since forever and it's a little strange he still confuses them lol.

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That's not a hybrid runeword... That's just a hacked item from open bnet being put on the realms. Not the same thing at all. Hybrid runeword is just one runeword but with the runes of another, so it gets the rune magic (everything that the runeword would add normally) plus the bonuses of the new runes, instead of the bonuses of the old runes. So for example, enigma of peace no longer has the bonuses of jah/ber (5% max life and 8% dr) and since the runes inside of Peace are a much lower level req, Enigma of Peace is only level req 29.

What you just posted was no different than ith bows/hex charms lol.


and yet it followed the "rules" of the hybrid runewords, regardless of how you feel about it, it is what it is.

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and yet it followed the "rules" of the hybrid runewords, regardless of how you feel about it, it is what it is.

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You're dumb or you definitely have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a hybrid runeword is then. What you posted hasn't existed online for 23 years, and is literally just modded stats on an item that could never be possible without bringing in an item from open bnet.

Some hybrids are good, some are bad... But all of them are just regular runewords, but with different runes in them. Not a hacked item with stats that don't come from the runeword or the runes.

You can't put both of them in the same category of "hybrid". Now, if you wanted to say they're both items created using techniques not possible within normal gameplay, I'll agree with that.. but the bow you posted is not a "hybrid" no matter how you try to twist it lol.

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You're dumb or you definitely have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a hybrid runeword is then. What you posted hasn't existed online for 23 years, and is literally just modded stats on an item that could never be possible without bringing in an item from open bnet.

Some hybrids are good, some are bad... But all of them are just regular runewords, but with different runes in them. Not a hacked item with stats that don't come fromt the runeword or the runes.

You can't put both of them in the same category of "hybrid". Now, if you wanted to say they're both items created using techniques not possible within normal gameplay, I'll agree with that.. but the bow you posted is not a "hybrid" no matter how you try to twist it lol.


not very polite, I'm fully aware of what hybrids are but it seems you are missing information

"What you posted hasn't existed online for 23 years" -> does that mean its not a hybrid? no
"is literally just modded stats on an item that could never be possible without bringing in an item from open bnet." -> does not change the facts, however it came to be
"You can't put both of them in the same category of "hybrid"." -> of course I can, there are certain things that need to be checked before creating a hybrid, this item checks those boxes

stop being ignorant, welcome information that expands your knowledge
have a good one

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Explain how it's a hybrid then?

I can say a cow is a Komodo dragon and offer no proof/nonsense as well. They're both alive... They both have tails... They're both big... They both have 4 legs they stand on... Same thing!


Well you've come off as quite rude, so I don't feel like it.
The fact you dispute something without understanding it is beyond silly.
You can live in your bubble.

This post was edited by tunglidid on Dec 9 2025 04:02am
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not very polite, I'm fully aware of what hybrids are but it seems you are missing information

"What you posted hasn't existed online for 23 years" -> does that mean its not a hybrid? no
"is literally just modded stats on an item that could never be possible without bringing in an item from open bnet." -> does not change the facts, however it came to be
"You can't put both of them in the same category of "hybrid"." -> of course I can, there are certain things that need to be checked before creating a hybrid, this item checks those boxes

stop being ignorant, welcome information that expands your knowledge
have a good one


Explain how it's a hybrid then? Because what you posted has nothing to do with ith's either.

I can say a cow is a Komodo dragon and offer no proof/nonsense as well. They're both alive... They both have tails... They're both big... They both have 4 legs they stand on... Same thing!

Well you've come off as quite rude, so I don't feel like it.
The fact you dispute something without understanding it is beyond silly.
You can live in your bubble.


Yeah, I knew you were just trolling from the start, because what you said made no sense at all. If you had intended to offer anything insightful at all, you would've done it in the first reply when I said "it wasn't a hybrid" instead of "nuh uh".

This post was edited by Emiliaaa on Dec 9 2025 04:07am
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