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Jan 6 2025 03:07am
eth up'd titan's
-20 griff with -5 facet
highlords
razortail
2/20/15dex or 3/20 gloves
aldur boots or gores
rare ring with dual leech + 20dex raven frost
fortitude
mosers with 2x -10 light res

having a jmod is for pvp not for pvm. zero reason to spend the extra money to have a jmod to lose the res of mosers to get an extra -10res. with the gear above and an infin merc, you should kill basically everything in 1-3 throws, which given the ias of the gear above, takes 1 second to do.

granted, this is a kill speed build, if you want to make a character with mf, you'd have to swap fort for engima, but your kill speed would go down but you pick up teleport and mf. you'd also want to definitely get 2/20 gloves with mf in that scenario and probably would want to go with war travs 50fg over aldur or gores. Can still do good damage and kill with mf build, just wont be as fast. if you're looking to just have fun and smash some hell cow games or chaos runs, the above list is what you need


mosers never heard about this item full name?

gore make difference? adds speed to clear areas?


thx for replay bro rly appreciate! :thumbsup:
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Jan 6 2025 04:20am
eth up'd titan's
-20 griff with -5 facet
highlords
razortail
2/20/15dex or 3/20 gloves
aldur boots or gores
rare ring with dual leech + 20dex raven frost
fortitude
mosers with 2x -10 light res

having a jmod is for pvp not for pvm. zero reason to spend the extra money to have a jmod to lose the res of mosers to get an extra -10res. with the gear above and an infin merc, you should kill basically everything in 1-3 throws, which given the ias of the gear above, takes 1 second to do.

granted, this is a kill speed build, if you want to make a character with mf, you'd have to swap fort for engima, but your kill speed would go down but you pick up teleport and mf. you'd also want to definitely get 2/20 gloves with mf in that scenario and probably would want to go with war travs 50fg over aldur or gores. Can still do good damage and kill with mf build, just wont be as fast. if you're looking to just have fun and smash some hell cow games or chaos runs, the above list is what you need


this has to be a troll comment lmao
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Jan 6 2025 05:46am
mosers never heard about this item full name?

gore make difference? adds speed to clear areas?


thx for replay bro rly appreciate! :thumbsup:


moser’s blessed circle, should have said upgraded to luna as well.

You are trading -10% res from jmod for +25 all res from mosers. Given you already have infin aura and -35 res, you will see no difference in your kill speed from jmod and you can get mosers for 1fg vs 150fg for a jmod, spend the difference on a better duel leech ring with high stats/life/res and your char will be much more improved.

Gores gives open wounds, which with how fast you’re killing is not essential. 10 more frw with alder, life and 50% fire res is going to be better overall boot. With the duel leech ring you don’t need silkweave, anyone who said silkweave must have never actually played a pvm zon.


this has to be a troll comment lmao


Only person who trolled here is you and clearly you have no idea how to make a pvm zon if you don’t understand this is the meta
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Jan 6 2025 05:54am
Only person who trolled here is you and clearly you have no idea how to make a pvm zon if you don’t understand this is the meta


m8 you can't call a physical throw zon without eni a "kill speed build" or "meta"

if you find it fun to play then that's fine, have fun with it, but it's honestly one of the worst builds I've ever seen
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Jan 6 2025 06:12am
mosers never heard about this item full name?

gore make difference? adds speed to clear areas?


thx for replay bro rly appreciate! :thumbsup:


gore doesn't make a difference at all. he seems to be under the assumption that javas deal physical damage, which in reality accounts for less than 1% of your damage output even with his dogshit forti build.

you're all light damage, and that's what you itemize for.

and I shouldn't even have to state the very obvious fact that you need eni if you care at all about your clear speed. without tele you might as well play werewolf or something, because that's how slow you'll move across the map.

if you want the actual meta build(s), here you go - three options:

option 1: tstroke build, dps focus, 55 ias 68 fcr
thunderstroke
griffon -5 RBF
eni
spirit monarch
2/20 gloves ideally with mana leech
razortail (non-negotiable, 33% pierce on top of 1 hard-point gives you guaranteed pierce, which increases your damage substantially)
aldurs if you don't mind potting, silkweaves if you want better mana sustain
highlord
fcr ml ring + raven

option 2: eth titans quality of life focus, 55 ias 68 fcr
eth upgraded titans
griffon ias jewel (ias mana after each kill ideally)
eni
spirit monarch
2/20 ml gloves
razortail (always non-negotiable)
aldurs/silkweaves
highlord
fcr ml ring + raven

option 3: off-meta, overkill and expensive rare 4/40 build, 55 ias 99 fcr
rare 4/40 javelins with adds like self-rep, increase stack, ml/maek
griffon ias maek jwl
eni
spirit monarch
trangs/magefists
razortail
aldurs/silkweaves
2/19+ fcr amu
raven + soj

gl hf
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Jan 6 2025 06:37am
gore doesn't make a difference at all. he seems to be under the assumption that javas deal physical damage, which in reality accounts for less than 1% of your damage output even with his dogshit forti build.

you're all light damage, and that's what you itemize for.

and I shouldn't even have to state the very obvious fact that you need eni if you care at all about your clear speed. without tele you might as well play werewolf or something, because that's how slow you'll move across the map.

if you want the actual meta build(s), here you go - three options:

option 1: tstroke build, dps focus, 55 ias 68 fcr
thunderstroke
griffon -5 RBF
eni
spirit monarch
2/20 gloves ideally with mana leech
razortail (non-negotiable, 33% pierce on top of 1 hard-point gives you guaranteed pierce, which increases your damage substantially)
aldurs if you don't mind potting, silkweaves if you want better mana sustain
highlord
fcr ml ring + raven

option 2: eth titans quality of life focus, 55 ias 68 fcr
eth upgraded titans
griffon ias jewel (ias mana after each kill ideally)
eni
spirit monarch
2/20 ml gloves
razortail (always non-negotiable)
aldurs/silkweaves
highlord
fcr ml ring + raven

option 3: off-meta, overkill and expensive rare 4/40 build, 55 ias99 fcr
rare 4/40 javelins with adds like self-rep, increase stack, ml/maek
griffon ias maek jwl
eni
spirit monarch
trangs/magefists
razortail
aldurs/silkweaves
2/19+ fcr amu
raven + soj

gl hf


So mine is a troll comment, but then you list the virtually exact same gear? lol ok bud, at least you contributed to the discussion this time.

Not sure why you went on a tirade about physical vs lightning damage, are you unaware that gores provides open wounds and what that does?

Also have to factor in enigma has DTM on a char that is already going to be starved for mana, so saying enigma is mandatory for high damage is ridiculous.

Losing frw and rep from tgods would also mean having to town, thus further reducing kill speed.

Your response also confuses kill speed with boss clear speed. The OP was looking for a high damage build, not how to build the best telecom mf char. Your meta for high damage would do less damage than my build and has lower resists. Take the L and move on.
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Jan 6 2025 07:09am
So mine is a troll comment, but then you list the virtually exact same gear? lol ok bud, at least you contributed to the discussion this time.

Not sure why you went on a tirade about physical vs lightning damage, are you unaware that gores provides open wounds and what that does?

Also have to factor in enigma has DTM on a char that is already going to be starved for mana, so saying enigma is mandatory for high damage is ridiculous.

Losing frw and rep from tgods would also mean having to town, thus further reducing kill speed.

Your response also confuses kill speed with boss clear speed. The OP was looking for a high damage build, not how to build the best telecom mf char. Your meta for high damage would do less damage than my build and has lower resists. Take the L and move on.


if he wanted to optimize single target boss damage, which he obviously doesn't want to do because that would never make any sense, he'd use 6/40's with a -20/20 monarch, a -20/20 arm on a 95 ias build. not your titans, forti, mosers physical dmg build lmao

that's completely besides the point though. some notes:


resistances are mostly a non-factor. a standard java rarely takes damage because a) they kill everything in a throw or two before taking damage, and b) they have high dodge/avoid/evade. block is useless for the same reason. if you're dying on a java you've got more pressing issues to tend to than your resistances. come to think of it, maybe your java takes damage since you're running around poking shit for no damage with that forti build of yours, lmfao

OW stops mob health generation. kindly explain why a java that one-shots everything would ever care about stopping health generation?

if you care about frw and rep from titans, opt for build #2. but if you actually did care about frw you'd also use eni, not the trash forti you're advocating for

and you can't be serious about opting out of eni because the DTGTM on it drains your mana. I couldn't make up a more absurd statement if I tried to
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Jan 6 2025 08:38am
if he wanted to optimize single target boss damage, which he obviously doesn't want to do because that would never make any sense, he'd use 6/40's with a -20/20 monarch, a -20/20 arm on a 95 ias build. not your titans, forti, mosers physical dmg build lmao

that's completely besides the point though. some notes:


resistances are mostly a non-factor. a standard java rarely takes damage because a) they kill everything in a throw or two before taking damage, and b) they have high dodge/avoid/evade. block is useless for the same reason. if you're dying on a java you've got more pressing issues to tend to than your resistances. come to think of it, maybe your java takes damage since you're running around poking shit for no damage with that forti build of yours, lmfao

OW stops mob health generation. kindly explain why a java that one-shots everything would ever care about stopping health generation?

if you care about frw and rep from titans, opt for build #2. but if you actually did care about frw you'd also use eni, not the trash forti you're advocating for

and you can't be serious about opting out of eni because the DTGTM on it drains your mana. I couldn't make up a more absurd statement if I tried to


Nice job avoiding the biggest flaw in your suggested build.

Good luck teleporting around without cannot be frozen as well
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Jan 6 2025 08:58am
Nice job avoiding the biggest flaw in your suggested build.

Good luck teleporting around without cannot be frozen as well


gore doesn't make a difference at all. he seems to be under the assumption that javas deal physical damage, which in reality accounts for less than 1% of your damage output even with his dogshit forti build.

you're all light damage, and that's what you itemize for.

and I shouldn't even have to state the very obvious fact that you need eni if you care at all about your clear speed. without tele you might as well play werewolf or something, because that's how slow you'll move across the map.

if you want the actual meta build(s), here you go - three options:

option 1: tstroke build, dps focus, 55 ias 68 fcr
raven

option 2: eth titans quality of life focus, 55 ias 68 fcr
raven

option 3: off-meta, overkill and expensive rare 4/40 build, 55 ias99 fcr
raven


your ability to read is as good as your ability to build a zon
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