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#1
Mar 7 2017 12:15pm
Title.

For me: Yes, it should be allowed. This means more people will join the aow bvb community because not every1 is willing to pay k's fgs for rare sa's.
Yes, ppl can use Enigma, hades or arkys.. but ebugged prudence is just another possibility. A decent Hades roll costs like 100 or more fgs, same for arkys. Not counting the jools in hades just yet. (Those are like 50+ each as well, depending on the stats)

You cant compare prudence with eni imo, since eni has low def, but high str, skills and frw, while prudence 'only' offers defense.

However I understand the rule as it is now : 'No hacked/bugged items allowed', but still.. eth bug isnt a 'bug' like smt like aura stacking or zod bug was. (Those got patched)
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Mar 7 2017 02:26pm
I voted yes cuz i think its worth to try.

Its years since this was tested last time and eq changed to the better massivly since that.
Worst case scenario its just to move it back to the not allowed list again.


Only way to know is to make a tour with eth prudence allowed and see the results:)

This post was edited by vOoLdO on Mar 7 2017 02:28pm
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Mar 7 2017 03:11pm
Quote (vOoLdO @ 7 Mar 2017 22:26)
I voted yes cuz i think its worth to try.

Its years since this was tested last time and eq changed to the better massivly since that.
Worst case scenario its just to move it back to the not allowed list again.


Only way to know is to make a tour with eth prudence allowed and see the results:)


Ye thats what I was thinkin too lol. Ppl call it OP, but imo it isnt.. I mean.. it just offers massive defense, thats all. (Hades for example offers a little less def, but more stats and dmg. Enigma offers waaaaaaaay more life (stats) and 2 skills and arkys offers decent defense with 2 skills and dr)
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#4
Mar 7 2017 04:17pm
Voted yes cause

Quote (RaZeNxD @ Mar 7 2017 05:51pm)
I guess it would be good to have a poll about it?
I feel like that would be a nice change.
There are many bvbers around inclunding my self that use eni-arky-black hades setups and would definitely try prudence.
Also would may bring back some of the bvbers that got off due to couldn't afford rare high def armors (and u know guys that there are many of them)
And even better could bring some more new guys who would hesitate due to big expenses :)
All those are just my opinion tho


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Mar 8 2017 02:58am
Voted no since the defence it provides for is bugged.

P.s. ofc the only votes than count are those which have been explained by post here.

This post was edited by BlackTwister on Mar 8 2017 03:00am
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Mar 8 2017 03:00am
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Voted no since the defence it provides for is bugged.



Its just cubed to highdef.
As much bug as any other cuberecipe.

Good idea with votes.

To prevent trollvotes and count ppl that actually playing Aow



This post was edited by vOoLdO on Mar 8 2017 03:05am
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Mar 8 2017 03:13am
Quote (Argand @ Mar 2 2013 09:38pm)
Why was 'Eth Bug Prudence' forbidden?

Because it is bugged and bugs are forbidden in AoW BvB.
Before we voted to ban it, it was not clear to the community that the method to create this armor is a real bug.
There was a long discussion and in the end we had to vote to make a common decision about it. You know the results. Breee has quoted them a few posts earlier.
We did not change the rules back then. We decided how to read the rules. This is a huge and important difference!
(By the way: The runeword 'Prudence' itself is not forbidden of course.)

Why are the rules hard to understand sometimes and not too specific in every case?

Because the Barbarian players before me, who have created these rules, and i, who have tried to re-write them and make them normative, tried to gave our best to sum up different cases, different situations, different items, different builds, all at once.
There are hundreds of items in Diablo 2 LoD and hundreds of skills. It is difficult to cover all of them but it was possible.
To manage such things, rules have to be or sound standardized and not too specific. Just take a look at your national laws, especially the human rights.
You might not find a rule like "You are not allowed to break someone's finger" but you will find for sure a rule like "You are not allowed to hurt someone physically".
I hope you understand what i try to say.

Greetings,
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Quote (Argand @ Mar 5 2012 11:46pm)
Internet.5, Brightaxe and me agreed that we will ask 27 active and experienced AoW-BvB-players from the 3 guilds.
12 people from BvB-guild voted, 10 people from Barbarian Village, 5 people from Darkside of BvB.

These are the results which every guild will accept from now on:

Allow bearfoot 32020 in AoW:
18 people voted for YES
8 people voted for NO
1 person did not vote yet

Decision: YES



Allow double-eth bugged Prudence in AoW:
9 people voted for YES
17 people voted for NO
1 person did not vote yet

Decision: NO

btw: as much as i know these decisions will not affect the 2v2 tournament at the moment. so dont worry.




These quotes are from 2012/2013.
I cant find the topic in which we had this discussion the first time but it must have been in a league/tournament topic from 2012. Here is our guild topic about the Barbarian Codex in which I had announced the voting results: http://forums.d2jsp.org/guild.php?t=877&o=0
Of course Barbarians today can decide on themselves what to do but please keep in mind that these decisions were thought about very carefully before and we had good reasons to ban "Double Eth BUG prudence".
Don't treat this lightly! And inform yourselves very good about this.

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Mar 8 2017 03:21am
Quote (Argand @ 8 Mar 2017 11:13)
These quotes are from 2012/2013.
I cant find the topic in which we had this discussion the first time but it must have been in a league/tournament topic from 2012. Here is our guild topic about the Barbarian Codex in which I had announced the voting results: http://forums.d2jsp.org/guild.php?t=877&o=0
Of course Barbarians today can decide on themselves what to do but please keep in mind that these decisions were thought about very carefully before and we had good reasons to ban "Double Eth BUG prudence".
Don't treat this lightly! And inform yourselves very good about this.


Ofc I know the rule was made back then. But look at the facts:
Yes, its a bug, but its a way different bug then zod bug as example

Imo bugs those are patched now should he indeed forbidden ike zbug is), but this is different.

Pretty sure some ppl dont want invest in this a lot. Eth prudence is then just another option, and cheaper than arkys, hades and ofc rare sa's/ap's. As I said you shouldnt compare it with enigma, since enigmas power lays in its strenght boost and 2 skills. Imo u should compare ebugged prudence with hades/arkys etc (cuz those have pretty decent defense).

Quote (BlackTwister @ 8 Mar 2017 10:58)
Voted no since the defence it provides for is bugged.

P.s. ofc the only votes than count are those which have been explained by post here.


I agree with the voting thing ye


As vooldo said; maybe we should test a tour with it. Pretty sure things wont be that different, since most bvbers already have their armor.
Perhaps more ppl will join then bcuz of this. But we'll have to see.

This post was edited by Klaasje123 on Mar 8 2017 03:28am
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Mar 8 2017 03:31am
No because aow is showing off the rare items bought for hundreds of dollars and enabling poor villagers to join is bad for reputation. What's next, allowing grief, rendering thousands dollars' worth of rare axes and swords useless?

This post was edited by nuvo on Mar 8 2017 03:36am
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Mar 8 2017 03:57am
Quote (nuvo @ Mar 8 2017 10:31am)
No because aow is showing off the rare items bought for hundreds of dollars and enabling poor villagers to join is bad for reputation. What's next, allowing grief, rendering thousands dollars' worth of rare axes and swords useless?


:D

seriously, people should play more GM FFA. Meanwhile it seems to me that GM FFA is way more balanced than AoW. But well... :rolleyes:

This post was edited by Argand on Mar 8 2017 03:58am
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