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Jul 9 2024 12:50pm
So what is it with Lilith?

i don't think it's the poison damage dragging you down so fast, i tried with double gul'd IK helmet + Potions = 95% PR.

It also shouldn't be the ~500ish melee attacks cause the other ubers have similar melee stats.

Is she actually lowering poison resistance in some way?

I haven't tried triple Ber'ed armor yet though anyone experience with 50ish damage reduction?

Anyone knows what is really going on with her?


This post was edited by Erzdaemon on Jul 9 2024 12:50pm
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Jul 9 2024 12:56pm
antidote potions and lifetap are about all u can do to consistently beat her. even so many well built chars still get rip'd from time to time. she does an insane amount of dmg.
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Jul 9 2024 01:40pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 9 2024 08:56pm)
antidote potions and lifetap are about all u can do to consistently beat her. even so many well built chars still get rip'd from time to time. she does an insane amount of dmg.


hmm yeah ok so it's probably physical, cursed/amp is like instadeath, i will try triple ber sometime ty

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Jul 9 2024 02:02pm
I did try myself, i don't think on hc, but in sc back when i was playing that. I was surprised by the damage too.

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act5-lilith.shtml

Melee Attack 1
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"Lilith is Poison Enchanted, adding ~464-710 poison damage over 56 seconds to her attacks, and firing an invisible missile applying ~2,062-2093 poison damage over 32 seconds (64 116/256 - 65 110/256 per second) and 2 148/256 - 2 158/256 poison damage per collision. This bonus and her poison immunity are not displayed.

~738 poison damage over 18 seconds is also added to her attacks (although both damage rate and length increase by 1/16 with each additional player in Ladder games), resulting in at least ~3,649-3,974 poison damage over 74 seconds (49 81/256 - 53 182/256 per second) in total. Critical hits double damage but not length."


Not forgetting, every monster and minion has a 5% chance to do critical damage.

But the poison damage should be mitigated to great degree if 95% or similar....
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Jul 9 2024 02:15pm
Quote (Taurean @ Jul 9 2024 10:02pm)
I did try myself, i don't think on hc, but in sc back when i was playing that. I was surprised by the damage too.

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act5-lilith.shtml

Melee Attack 1
Hell
520-572

"Lilith is Poison Enchanted, adding ~464-710 poison damage over 56 seconds to her attacks, and firing an invisible missile applying ~2,062-2093 poison damage over 32 seconds (64 116/256 - 65 110/256 per second) and 2 148/256 - 2 158/256 poison damage per collision. This bonus and her poison immunity are not displayed.

~738 poison damage over 18 seconds is also added to her attacks (although both damage rate and length increase by 1/16 with each additional player in Ladder games), resulting in at least ~3,649-3,974 poison damage over 74 seconds (49 81/256 - 53 182/256 per second) in total. Critical hits double damage but not length."


Not forgetting, every monster and minion has a 5% chance to do critical damage.

But the poison damage should be mitigated to great degree if 95% or similar....


yeah that's what i was thinking i saw ( or at least "felt" ) no difference between 75% and 95% PR ( the merc is also on 95% with andys and potions ( yes, you can feed him those potions too) and he still kinda instadies ).

So the Tip with poison resist and those potions that can be read everywhere looks kinda pointless.

thank you for your answer i'll check further into that with DR but i guess it's just physical damage ( unless there IS a unknown Poison Resistance Reduction from Lilith )

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Quote (Erzdaemon @ Jul 9 2024 03:15pm)
yeah that's what i was thinking i saw ( or at least "felt" ) no difference between 75% and 95% PR ( the merc is also on 95% with andys and potions ( yes, you can feed him those potions too) and he still kinda instadies ).

So the Tip with poison resist and those potions that can be read everywhere looks kinda pointless.

thank you for your answer i'll check further into that with DR but i guess it's just physical damage ( unless there IS a unknown Poison Resistance Reduction from Lilith )


I think the key lies with the "poison enchanted". as lilith is one of only 2 mobs in the game with it. her poison aura is very overtuned, she has 100% chance to hit, and likely the way her poi attacks interact with each other mean that even at 95% poi res its still a fuckton of dmg.

i dont think DR will solve it, you have to outgain it via lifetap or it's pointless. many things in the game make poi interactions odd. if for example you have a high poi dps attack (like venom) it has a very short duration to balance it. but mix it with another poi source that has a long duration and you get high dps and high duration (like venom through poi dagger). this is likely the case with lilith as she has poi added to her phys attacks.
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Jul 10 2024 02:56pm
it's mostly physical damage she does, she's fast and you are cursed with amp very often there
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Jul 10 2024 03:30pm
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I think the key lies with the "poison enchanted". as lilith is one of only 2 mobs in the game with it. her poison aura is very overtuned, she has 100% chance to hit, and likely the way her poi attacks interact with each other mean that even at 95% poi res its still a fuckton of dmg.

i dont think DR will solve it, you have to outgain it via lifetap or it's pointless. many things in the game make poi interactions odd. if for example you have a high poi dps attack (like venom) it has a very short duration to balance it. but mix it with another poi source that has a long duration and you get high dps and high duration (like venom through poi dagger). this is likely the case with lilith as she has poi added to her phys attacks.


This.

Also, barb is one of the worst classes to use for ubers. Use last wish (mass crushing blow, life tap, and fade for extra res and more DR) + draculs grasp for the best chance of not dying. Even then it's rng to proc life tap.

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Jul 10 2024 09:44pm
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hmm yeah ok so it's probably physical, cursed/amp is like instadeath, i will try triple ber sometime ty


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Jul 10 2024 11:22pm
Like escroto said the majority of it is physical damage, Lilith's poison spray does 42-45 phys damage for each individual spray projectile and she always spawns with Multiple Shots, so she shoots out a shit ton of them at once that shotgun you for a lot of phys damage. Some info on her from Amazon Basin:

https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Matron%27s_Den#uberandariel_.28Hell.29

Integer DR should theoretically help with the spray but she does 520-572 physical for her melee attacks too so yeah.

This post was edited by PillyGasta on Jul 10 2024 11:24pm
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