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Jan 1 2024 04:11am
Hey guys, I grinded 99 on my barb soloing p8 tz's with reapers toll and would WW on the decrep proc. Worked really well.

In 1p games by myself I switch to Pride for the damage bonus as it's faster than waiting for the decrep proc.

I am wondering if infinity would be better for p1 than Pride.

Pride = 330% dmg bonus

Infinity = 83% defense reduction


I have good gear and good AR. So I am thinking pride is the way to go as I do not have a problem with missing attacks. Someone told me in a game infinity is hidden op.

Please only let me know if you REALLY know what you are talking about, not just a guess.

I run grief beast ww setup

Thanks!
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Jan 1 2024 05:19am
the variable you want to optimize is effective dmg:
effective dmg = damage * chance to hit
chance to hit = 2 * alvl/(alvl+dlvl) * ar/(ar+def)

so the question is if the loss of damage (switching away from conc) is worth the increase in hitchance (switching to conv)
assume you are a lvl 95 barb and attack a lvl 97 monster. baal has around 3k def, your ar is probably somewhere around 5k (if it is not, just rerun the calc yourself). so chance to hit without conv: 62%, with conv: 90%
concentration gives 345ed @lvl20 that is additive to all other off-weapon ed (str, ed from gear, ed from skills). you already get a lot of off-weapon ed, so the increase is not as much as it sounds like

so just plug in the numbers and see what gives the better result. note: grief has itd, but that only helps vs regular monsters and barbs dont have good aoe, so you mostly snipe champions/uniques (so itd is basically useless for you)
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Jan 1 2024 01:34pm
Go Grief + Azurewrath WW. Breaks most of the physical immunes in the game.

If you go into P8 max find potion and use Grim Ward. That breaks physical immune on the rest of regular monsters. Elites you still have to Berserk down.

I always run Plague on the merc, because decrep stifles your damage too much. So do Plague + Last Wish.

Edit- sorry. Just this advice is for D2R. Regular D2 LoD, i have no idea.

This post was edited by SwimShady on Jan 1 2024 01:50pm
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Jan 1 2024 04:23pm
Quote (PiXi31415 @ Jan 1 2024 04:19am)
the variable you want to optimize is effective dmg:
effective dmg = damage * chance to hit
chance to hit = 2 * alvl/(alvl+dlvl) * ar/(ar+def)

so the question is if the loss of damage (switching away from conc) is worth the increase in hitchance (switching to conv)
assume you are a lvl 95 barb and attack a lvl 97 monster. baal has around 3k def, your ar is probably somewhere around 5k (if it is not, just rerun the calc yourself). so chance to hit without conv: 62%, with conv: 90%
concentration gives 345ed @lvl20 that is additive to all other off-weapon ed (str, ed from gear, ed from skills). you already get a lot of off-weapon ed, so the increase is not as much as it sounds like

so just plug in the numbers and see what gives the better result. note: grief has itd, but that only helps vs regular monsters and barbs dont have good aoe, so you mostly snipe champions/uniques (so itd is basically useless for you)





Thank you for clarifying that the conviction is all for hit chance. I have 88%+ hit on most all mobs and less on diablo/baal but they die in a couple seconds anyway so I do not want to optimize for them. I am more optimizing for killing large packs with ww fast on p1. I think Pride is the way to go with that in mind.




Quote (SwimShady @ Jan 1 2024 12:34pm)
Go Grief + Azurewrath WW. Breaks most of the physical immunes in the game.

If you go into P8 max find potion and use Grim Ward. That breaks physical immune on the rest of regular monsters. Elites you still have to Berserk down.

I always run Plague on the merc, because decrep stifles your damage too much. So do Plague + Last Wish.

Edit- sorry. Just this advice is for D2R. Regular D2 LoD, i have no idea.



You think a5 merc beats a2 merc with might and pride runeword? I am not a pitzerker, I am a really high end gear lvl 99 WW barb and I slays mobs fast as hell

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Quote (HEDDU @ Jan 1 2024 10:23pm)

You think a5 merc beats a2 merc with might and pride runeword? I am not a pitzerker, I am a really high end gear lvl 99 WW barb and I slays mobs fast as hell


Oh you are on d2r.

So, for d2r, I think a5 merc + last wish + Plague beats a2 merc might + pride if you are decrepifyed.

I agree that a2 is faster if you are in areas without curses. It really boils down to where you farm.

All I know for certain is, waiting for your merc to proc reapers is a waste of time. Just use Grief + Azurewrath.

It also doesnt sound like you are using Grim Ward at all. That is one of the barb's strongest skills in p8.
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Quote (SwimShady @ Jan 1 2024 03:34pm)
Oh you are on d2r.

So, for d2r, I think a5 merc + last wish + Plague beats a2 merc might + pride if you are decrepifyed.

I agree that a2 is faster if you are in areas without curses. It really boils down to where you farm.

All I know for certain is, waiting for your merc to proc reapers is a waste of time. Just use Grief + Azurewrath.

It also doesnt sound like you are using Grim Ward at all. That is one of the barb's strongest skills in p8.


Yeah I only wait for reapers decrep proc when doing p8 tzs solo. I just tp into the middle of the pack and ww on top of the mercs decrep'd mobs. Currently I am asking about the best possible build for p1 farming quickly just messing around different zones. I will look more into grim ward, I have not done enough research on that skill. I usually just tp in and ww those fuckers down haha.
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Yes, the best all-zone build for WW barb is Grief + Azurewrath with A5 merc running LW + Plague.

You wear enigma + 2/30frw/20fcr circlet (Cham) + highlords + LoH.

Belt can be Verdungos, String of Ears or Arachnid, depending on what you prefer. I usually run SoE to stop the dolls hurting as much.

Between the 2 rings, you need 20fcr, mana leech (dual leech is better) and 150+ mana for comfortable teleport, and killing of mobs you can't leech off of.

War travs + gheeds is the only mf I run.

This build is very comfortable up to P3. Above that, you will need to max find potion and put remaining points into grim ward. It is basically a very awkward amp damage.
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Quote (SwimShady @ Jan 1 2024 03:55pm)
Yes, the best all-zone build for WW barb is Grief + Azurewrath with A5 merc running LW + Plague.

You wear enigma + 2/30frw/20fcr circlet (Cham) + highlords + LoH.

Belt can be Verdungos, String of Ears or Arachnid, depending on what you prefer. I usually run SoE to stop the dolls hurting as much.

Between the 2 rings, you need 20fcr, mana leech (dual leech is better) and 150+ mana for comfortable teleport, and killing of mobs you can't leech off of.

War travs + gheeds is the only mf I run.

This build is very comfortable up to P3. Above that, you will need to max find potion and put remaining points into grim ward. It is basically a very awkward amp damage.



right on, I will grab a last wish and plague and give that a shot! I have not ran the azurewrath or a5 merc before so it sounds interesting! Thank you for the advice
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Quote (HEDDU @ Jan 1 2024 10:57pm)
right on, I will grab a last wish and plague and give that a shot! I have not ran the azurewrath or a5 merc before so it sounds interesting! Thank you for the advice


You're welcome, and best of luck.

The more GG barbs, the better for the community!
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Jan 1 2024 05:04pm
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You're welcome, and best of luck.

The more GG barbs, the better for the community!


DAMN RIGHT! Barbs are the best char in d2! Been hooked since day 1
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