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Oct 5 2012 06:55am
Quote (xanadue @ Oct 4 2012 09:44pm)
What a lot (most) people fail to realize is that D3 at launch is pretty much the same as D2 at launch.  People compare opening day D3 to D2 12 years after release.

D2 Classic did not have runes at launch, did not have nearly the itemization it has now at launch, and was a much simpler game.  The only thing that D2 had at launch that D3 doesn't (my main gripe) is PvP enabled.

While I'm not a fan of taking a step backwards, I have high hopes that D3 will improve much like D2 did and become a great game.  Until then TL2 is awesome fun :D


A game released in 2012 should be far superior to a game made over a decade ago... And as far as the pvp goes, how hard is it to have an option to allow incoming damage from other players...PVP
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Oct 5 2012 08:55am
Quote (jennyspec @ Oct 4 2012 10:53pm)
man you are such a waste of time.......defending a game then admitting your taking " steps backwards " with D3, is dumb. D3 is a bad game the dev's failed and spent 100 times more $ on advertisement  than development. D2 was great at launch, no weekly maintnance , there servers were stable after day 2 unlike D3. D3 was down 75% of the time on week 1. with almost NO updates on bug fixes etc leaving the consumers in the clouds the entire time...stop comparing that fail ass game to D2 or ill have my 5 year old stomp your face in the ground.


You sound mad. D3s launch was bad because 13 million people were trying to log onto a server-side game at one time. D2s launch maybe involved a couple hundred thousand players, and 95% of that game is client side like torchlight, hence why you can cheat and mod. Sure D3s launch was bad, no real excuse for that, but comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges.

And if you really think D2 was different from D3 at release in terms of game content/playability, then you didn't play D2 at release. Judging by your writing style you were probably about 2 years old at the launch of D2, so I'm fairly certain you didn't.

Quote (StephanePare @ Oct 4 2012 09:39pm)
there is no legitimate reasons for d3 at launch to be in the same state as d2 at launch, unless they somehow had to relearn everything about making videogames in between, or if they hired a junior programmers team with an experienced senior project manager to manage them.  But that 2nd option isnt'e legitimate, it's being cheap and not caring about release quality



I agree, taking steps backwards is not excusable. They should have been able to pick up right where they left off with D2 and build from there. I was merely stating why I still have 'hopes' for the game.
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Oct 5 2012 09:10am
I am done with the series. I waited 10 years for what it thought was going to be the best game ever and it didn't just fall short, it failed miserably. Why should I or any other fan continue to wait? As soon as money becomes the main objective quality goes to shit. The companies decision to join with activision says enough.
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Oct 5 2012 01:01pm
Quote (zgnade @ Oct 3 2012 01:15pm)
no trading(becouse everyone can cheat)

You've got that completely backwards. Just think about that.

Why cheat in a trade if you can just create the item with the console? No reason at all to go through the hassle of trading if you're going to cheat.

It's a beautiful solution and the ONLY one that works. Proof is that trading is so intensely bad and highly ill advised in D3. Scam alert after scam alert on the forums. Scary ones, too.

Thank God Runic is so much smarter than Blizzard. No hacker's ever going to get my Runic account for TL2, because who cares? No hacker needs it. Want an item and are willing to cheat for it? Create it.

No bots in TL2. No reason to bot. You can create everything in an instant.

Cheaters are going to cheat. Non-cheaters aren't. Simple as that.

Quote (zgnade @ Oct 3 2012 01:15pm)
at least d3 got that right, and its still improving. :>

Bull crap! Duping is everywhere. Have you not seen all the huge problems with trading in D3? It's horrible! I'd never, ever trade in D3. I've seen people lose all their gear by clicking on hacked items.

D3 is hacked to pieces.

Also, it sucks and is terribly boring.

So, you're just flat wrong on so many levels. I ain't even mad about it. You jut are.
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Oct 5 2012 01:24pm
Quote (Sharpe103 @ Oct 5 2012 12:01pm)
You've got that completely backwards. Just think about that.

Why cheat in a trade if you can just create the item with the console? No reason at all to go through the hassle of trading if you're going to cheat.

It's a beautiful solution and the ONLY one that works. Proof is that trading is so intensely bad and highly ill advised in D3. Scam alert after scam alert on the forums. Scary ones, too.

Thank God Runic is so much smarter than Blizzard. No hacker's ever going to get my Runic account for TL2, because who cares? No hacker needs it. Want an item and are willing to cheat for it? Create it.

No bots in TL2. No reason to bot. You can create everything in an instant.

Cheaters are going to cheat. Non-cheaters aren't. Simple as that.


Bull crap! Duping is everywhere. Have you not seen all the huge problems with trading in D3? It's horrible! I'd never, ever trade in D3. I've seen people lose all their gear by clicking on hacked items.

D3 is hacked to pieces.

Also, it sucks and is terribly boring.

So, you're just flat wrong on so many levels. I ain't even mad about it. You jut are.


I don't know where you're getting your information from, but it is horribly incorrect. There is no form of duping in D3 whatsoever, and definitely no hacked items.

There was ONE loophole dupe method about 3 weeks after release that was discovered and it was hotfixed the very next day. That is actually the one edge D3 has on TL2 is the fact that you know everyone is on an even playing field.

I'm all about PvP in ARPG's and it's kind of pointless to PvP in a game that is so open. It's like PvPing in old school D2 on open battle.net, people had infinite life, absurd damage, there was no point to it.
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Oct 5 2012 04:33pm
Quote (xanadue @ Oct 5 2012 03:24pm)
I don't know where you're getting your information from, but it is horribly incorrect.  There is no form of duping in D3 whatsoever, and definitely no hacked items.

There was ONE loophole dupe method about 3 weeks after release that was discovered and it was hotfixed the very next day.  That is actually the one edge D3 has on TL2 is the fact that you know everyone is on an even playing field.

I'm all about PvP in ARPG's and it's kind of pointless to PvP in a game that is so open.  It's like PvPing in old school D2 on open battle.net, people had infinite life, absurd damage, there was no point to it.


Its also kind of pointless to pvp in a game where the guy who spent the most money on the auction house is going to kick your ass.
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Oct 5 2012 05:03pm
Quote (rifter390 @ Oct 5 2012 03:33pm)
Its also kind of pointless to pvp in a game where the guy who spent the most money on the auction house is going to kick your ass.


Uh, what? That didn't hold true in D2 (which had TONS of item selling; I still don't know why people gripe about this. People bought TONS of gear in D2, just not through Blizz) and it certainly won't hold true for D3. I've never spent a dime on the game and since release I made over $2000 + the 60k FG I have right now, + I have about 400 million gold in the game still to sell, lol.

RMAH means shit, that's the point of the 'item hunt.' If you invest time, find your own items (whether to use or sell), it doesn't matter how much money people invest into the game. My character was as geared as someone who wanted to spend $10,000 on their character could be.
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Oct 5 2012 05:32pm
Quote (xanadue @ Oct 5 2012 07:03pm)
Uh, what?  That didn't hold true in D2 (which had TONS of item selling; I still don't know why people gripe about this.  People bought TONS of gear in D2, just not through Blizz) and it certainly won't hold true for D3.  I've never spent a dime on the game and since release I made over $2000 + the 60k FG I have right now, + I have about 400 million gold in the game still to sell, lol.

RMAH means shit, that's the point of the 'item hunt.'  If you invest time, find your own items (whether to use or sell), it doesn't matter how much money people invest into the game.  My character was as geared as someone who wanted to spend $10,000 on their character could be.


There was't an auction house built into the game. Sure you could buy items online from 3rd parties but how often did people get scammed or have their items vanish on them. Don't tell me it means nothing, you will see when your pvp comes out how many people will bitch and moan. There is no reason to complain at the moment because everyone is vs the environment. As soon as the players get put into a pvp setting and see how fast their asses get stomped into the ground vs the cash payer they are going to either whip out their credit card or quit.
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