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Oct 9 2012 06:39pm
Why would anyone play this game and try to be "legit" at it, and then come to this forum to buy items that effectively makes the person no longer "legit"?

I mean what I would call playing legit, is playing the game start to whenever you consider finished, without using the console or buying items. Here you purchase forum gold, and then buy items. It literally blows my mind. Sure you could have received forum gold from trading in another game, but it still doesn't make you any more legit in Torchlight 2.

There are just too many ways players can get around the cheat flag, even with the most recent patch. I would like to list a few so buyers can be aware of what they are probably getting.

1) Using a mule, you can use the console to spawn tons of gold fish easily. You then place that in your shared stash and sell the items on your "legit" character who will remain unflagged. Anyone claiming to sell millions of gold "legit" is a flat out liar. I have played ALOT since release, and getting that much is not possible without using the method I described(or the others I did not mention) or at the very least what they are considering "legit" is cheesing Phase beast zones for hours(and I still would not call that legit.

2) Adding to the first point, it is incredibly easy to make a cheat mod that drastically increases the drop rate of gold and unique/legendary items, and this will not flag you.

3) You can also spawn Uniques for the level range you want your unflagged items to be, then transmute them 4 at a time until you get all kinds of nice unflagged gear.

4) You can copy your shared stash, remove the items, then overwrite the empty stash with your old one. This dupes items.

So basically what I would like to know is why does this forum exist? I am seriously not trying to troll. I signed up just so I could hear your reasoning for spending what equates to real money for items in a game where the cheating is so easy to do.

BTW I fully understand buying gold in other games. I've bought gold. I enjoyed it. I had no intentions of ever playing legit though. So if you are here because you don;t want to be a cheating console user, than why are you cheating by buying gold/items?

/mind blown

This post was edited by thedemoninside on Oct 9 2012 06:41pm
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Oct 9 2012 06:50pm
It all sums down to:


Your own definition of 'legit'.





While there are certain social norms and such, it really is just playing the game without taking advantage of all the loopholes.


Just play the game.
It's not real life, it's a game.
Enjoy it for what it is.

At least when it comes to things like this.

I doubt anyone will be talking to you 5 years down the line that you were an 'un-legit' player and therefore you shall be smitten for your bad behaviors on a game.





Edit:
Oh and to answer your 'why does this forum exist' question.


It doesn't exist for the sole reason of 'trading'.
There are plenty more questions about the game itself and how to build a character rather than trading.
As well as discussions and rallying people to play new games.


This post was edited by Red2Blue on Oct 9 2012 06:55pm
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Oct 9 2012 06:57pm
Thanks for the reply. Wouldn't purchasing an item be considered a loop-hole though?

I can understand it if it was a perfect situation where all you did was sell items to people in other games, and then effectively "traded" all those items from the other games for torchlight items/gold. It would just be converted into the form of forum gold beforehand.

Still, that is most likely not the case for most people. They probably bought some of it, therefore they bought their items in a game where they are freely able to get those items themselves.
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Oct 9 2012 07:01pm
Quote (thedemoninside @ Oct 9 2012 04:57pm)
Thanks for the reply. Wouldn't  purchasing an item be considered a loop-hole though?

I can understand it if it was a perfect situation where all you did was sell items to people in other games, and then effectively "traded" all those items from the other games for torchlight items/gold. It would just be converted into the form of forum gold beforehand.

Still, that is most likely not the case for most people. They probably bought some of it, therefore they bought their items in a game where they are freely able to get those items themselves.


Is it? Or is it not?

It's in the eye of the beholder.
Why stress about it in the first place?

You're most likely going to be trading an equal valued item or amount for that item.
But where does that amount even come from in the first place?


Game items? Forum gold?
They're all spawned from nothing in the first place.

Couldn't you just theoretically say that everything is 'un-legit' and cheating?


I'm sure the forum holders could just spawn an infinite amount of FG if they wanted to.
If you would like to question the currency and legitness of an 'Open bnet' game, you too should question how 'un-legit' money is on this forum as well.
Let alone the fact that I can play this game without any hacks and 'spawn' items from nowhere.



What is legit? More like, what do you value as real.




The biggest question is...


Why worry?
Why worry about how someone else is playing?
How does it affect you?
You can pretty much play private games or even kick people from your games if you wanted.
There is no mode of currency on this game, since it was built on the basis of being able to openly mod it.
It was pretty much spoon fed to the players from day one.
"Here's the game, here's the console where you can do whatever the heck you want with it, go nuts."


This post was edited by Red2Blue on Oct 9 2012 07:02pm
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Oct 9 2012 07:10pm
Spawned items have "CHEATED ITEM" on them.
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Oct 9 2012 07:12pm
I would hope this forum gold is spawned from real money lol. Isn't that the purpose of it? Money is what I value as real, and I personally would not spend a dime over $20.00 for the items in the game. Now if they had an expansion, sure I will pay them for their time making the game better. I would not pay anyone for what they claim is their "work" grinding for an item in THIS game. It just makes little sense to me and I am trying to understand it out of curiosity :)

Thanks for the replies though.

mercsan: They did not until recently. Many people have not updated their game yet, and they can still spawn unflagged items. I did this myself for a few days before finally updating. The flag system is still circumvented by points 3 and 4 in my original post.

This post was edited by thedemoninside on Oct 9 2012 07:14pm
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Oct 9 2012 07:14pm
TorchED for TL2 should be coming out here soon so there are legitimate mods that can be made.
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Oct 9 2012 07:16pm
Quote (thedemoninside @ Oct 9 2012 05:12pm)
I would hope this forum gold is spawned from real money lol. Isn't that the purpose of it? Money is what I value as real, and I personally would not spend a dime over $20.00 for the items in the game. Now if they had an expansion, sure I will pay them for their time making the game better. I would not pay anyone for what they claim is their "work" grinding for an item in THIS game. It just makes little sense to me and I am trying to understand it out of curiosity  :)

Thanks for the replies though.


Play the game however you want to play it honestly.
You've got choices.

If you don't want to pay someone for their 'work', that's great.
But you aren't one of the other hundreds of players who frequent this forum and have the funds to throw at things they want to have without all the fuss.


It's just like life really.
You don't have to understand, there's no point in trying to understand someone else's mentality over a game... especially one that was designed from the ground up to be picked at and modded freely. They friggin' give you the tools on their website to do it for crying out loud.
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Oct 9 2012 07:16pm
There are mods that you can give you items in stash that aren't flagged with "cheated item" on them.
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Oct 9 2012 07:27pm
so lets make this clear I just got this game about 3 days ago by this hour. Its so easy to dupe/import items/get gold via selling elixars that sell for 12k each that its retarded I would never buy anything such as gold here or end game items, playing legit is simply something you have to decide u want to do for yourself because to me playing non legit gets boring super quickly. with that being said I would't try and sell the gold I got on my unlegit character. due to just my morals and no real need to make fg atm. the console or whatever I personally have no idea what it is other than what I read, but you can get shared stash files that have anything you could possibly want theres even one with all of the legendary items.

the only thing I see as ok to use are respec potions due to obvious reasons (I'm a newbie didn't play TL1 so have no idea what I'm doing with my builds) and rather not make a new char when I'm in act 2 and realize I fucked my character up.

the only thing I would buy here is low level gear/skills anything else I rather find knowing its legit
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