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Sep 10 2021 05:25pm
after previously raiding the likes of dortmund and leverkusen, buyern went after leipzig this transfer period, signing three (!) crucial pieces of their relative success last season (somewhat challenging for the title, making it out of their difficult CL group): upamecano, nagelsmann, and sabitzer joined munich over the summer - basically gutting leipzig's squad and making sure they won't come too close this time around.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/bayern-munich-sign-sabitzer-three-arrivals-from-rb-leipzig-for-around-euro-70m-this-summer/view/news/391984

now don't get me wrong, i don't like plastic clubs like leipzig, and i couldn't care less what happens to them, but buyern repeatedly and selectively targeting their closest domestic competition, in order to maintain their boring dominance over the bundesliga, is a despicable approach imo.

just to inb4 the apologists: i'm not saying this is or should be illegal, i'm not saying it isn't "smart" - but this is also not just your typical transfer policy, simply looking to strengthen your own squad. this is clearly a pattern of weakening your direct opponents, that i don't see employed so obviously by any other club in any other top league - and it's hurting the bundesliga as a whole: not just the lack of excitement when it comes to the title race, but also that basically every single german club has to rebuild after a somewhat successful season (although buyern is obviously not exclusively responsible for this ofc), something you don't see in spain, england, or italy for example.


what do you guys think about this? shrewd policy, shitty tactics, both?

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Sep 11 2021 05:14am
It was Naggelelam and Sabitzer's dream to play for Bayerm.

Tbh I would have gladly kept Flick but he left.

If Dortmund had some consistency or balls they could have won the league twice in the last years
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Sep 11 2021 09:41am
Quote (DoWN_DeaTH @ 11 Sep 2021 13:14)
It was Naggelelam and Sabitzer's dream to play for Bayerm.

Tbh I would have gladly kept Flick but he left.

If Dortmund had some consistency or balls they could have won the league twice in the last years


even if we just assumed all of that was 100% true, it says nothing about buyern's transfer policy.

that said, every team - including bayern - will have their bad phases during a season, it's almost inevitable. but obviously that's easier to avoid / recover from when you bought all the experienced elite players of your competitors, which is the whole point here.
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Sep 11 2021 09:58am
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even if we just assumed all of that was 100% true, it says nothing about buyern's transfer policy.

that said, every team - including bayern - will have their bad phases during a season, it's almost inevitable. but obviously that's easier to avoid / recover from when you bought all the experienced elite players of your competitors, which is the whole point here.


Another thing to take into account. Do you really believe that all those players would have stayed if Bayern hadn't make a move?
Dembele, Pulisic, Auba, Konate, Havertz, Sancho, they all left and it's not because of Bayern.
If Bayern didn't take Lewa, we wouldn't be lucky to see him play. He would play for real barca or someone else..
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Sep 11 2021 10:05am
just be glad there wasn’t the situation where they demanded these three sit out the UCL final like they did with Götze in 2013
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Another thing to take into account. Do you really believe that all those players would have stayed if Bayern hadn't make a move?
Dembele, Pulisic, Auba, Konate, Havertz, Sancho, they all left and it's not because of Bayern.
If Bayern didn't take Lewa, we wouldn't be lucky to see him play. He would play for real barca or someone else..


at this point i'll just have to assume you're deliberately missing my point, repeatedly pivoting to different arguments. at no point have i claimed or even just suggested that all those clubs could easily have kept their players (in fact, i specifically mentioned that buyern is NOT exclusively responsible for that) if buyern hadn't offered them big money (although sabitzer, just to name the most recent example, probably would have).

what i'm pointing out is how buyern repeatedly goes after their biggest domestic rival to weaken them during transfer windows, often buying two or more players of a club in a short period of time, completely gutting their core. they aren't particularly subtle about it either: if a club finishes even somewhat close behind them, you can be sure that munich will try to sign their players that very summer.

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Sep 12 2021 03:14am
as a big club you can only buy from your rivals, because scrubs from mainz arent gonna cut it

aside from that the league should be thankful, because without bayern none of the players on the roster would even play in germany
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at this point i'll just have to assume you're deliberately missing my point, repeatedly pivoting to different arguments. at no point have i claimed or even just suggested that all those clubs could easily have kept their players (in fact, i specifically mentioned that buyern is NOT exclusively responsible for that) if buyern hadn't offered them big money (although sabitzer, just to name the most recent example, probably would have).

what i'm pointing out is how buyern repeatedly goes after their biggest domestic rival to weaken them during transfer windows, often buying two or more players of a club in a short period of time, completely gutting their core. they aren't particularly subtle about it either: if a club finishes even somewhat close behind them, you can be sure that munich will try to sign their players that very summer.


So basicly your're telling me I can not come up with new arguments but only keep yours?
"Sorry" for doing that

Bayerm want to have the best German / German players. Most of them are in the Bundesliga and in the best Bundesliga teams.

Dortmund did it just as much as Bayern in recent years with Gladbach and Leverkusen. Didn't see you complain.

This post was edited by DoWN_DeaTH on Sep 12 2021 04:57am
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Sep 12 2021 05:02am
You should be happy with this Bayern tactic. In Fance all our good players are always leaving Ligue 1 for an other championship :angry:

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Another thing to take into account. Do you really believe that all those players would have stayed if Bayern hadn't make a move?
Dembele, Pulisic, Auba, Konate, Havertz, Sancho, they all left and it's not because of Bayern.
If Bayern didn't take Lewa, we wouldn't be lucky to see him play. He would play for real barca or someone else..


100% agree ;)
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Quote (DoWN_DeaTH @ 12 Sep 2021 12:57)
So basicly your're telling me I can not come up with new arguments but only keep yours?
"Sorry" for doing that

Bayerm want to have the best German / German players. Most of them are in the Bundesliga and in the best Bundesliga teams.

Dortmund did it just as much as Bayern in recent years with Gladbach and Leverkusen. Didn't see you complain.


obviously you can write whatever you want, i'm just saying that you're missing my point with your excuses.

also, neither upamecano nor sabitzer are german, so please, maybe at least TRY to make some sense once in a while...
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