Falling into paranoia and your us against them state of mind again I see.

You know it's possible for someone to have a different opinion to yours that doesn't automatically make them wrong with an agenda against you.

well, for a scapegoat he played all but 1 game in the last 8-10 years. despite getting completely busted by the english media. and the criticism of his arsenal performances have been going on for years. "not showing up in big games etc. pp". these english racists i guess. oh wait, freedom a speech.

yet löw played him, even at poor form. same with müller, but thats is a different area needing improvement. löw also benched khedira and müller for 1 game. he might be a retard, but not as much to bench integral parts of his world cup winning side. he was clearly not happy with their performance. and knowing Löw from the past, he rarely benching guys ever.

i don't really get the scapgoat/rasicm talk. nor playing the race/vicitim card. if he was thrown out of the squad after the world cup, its a different story. but nothing has happened yet in terms of making changes to the squad.

maybe he should get off social media, if he can't handle single/few racist comments. he is person of public life, he has to live with a few idiots. if one upset fan screams "Türken Sau" while he goes to the tunnel, after losing in group stage and he is projecting it to the entire DFB/country, he really needs a reality check.

l'eqiupe worst team of the tournament featured khedira, özil & müller. these french racists

for the Erdogan thing:
he should have distanced himself from Erdogan's political circus when he had the chance. he didn't, which basically made him unplayable post world cup. it looks like he simply likes erdogan and what he stands for. but that won't co-exist with playing for the german national team for obvious reasons. this isn't even up for debate.

This post was edited by darki99 on Jul 24 2018 07:05am

Like I said, he gets slagged of for the wrong reasons. Look at the statistics I posted. Those aren't from players that didn't perform.

It's a cycle with Özil on your team :
You win -> Ozil played great
You lose -> Özil was lazy and played terrible

Yet in both games, he gets near the same statistics.

I don't care about the Erdogan crap, I care about the fact he gets blamed for being a bad player or having bad games, when he really wasn't having a bad game at all.

the Erdogan thing is what he gets blamed for, make no mistake. this isn't about his performance.

tho with a great world cup or germany getting far, he could have silenced the noises probably.

I've seen comments from German media, people such like Rummenigge that suggest otherwise..

that’s every top player. Messi gets that sort of treatment for Argentina. Pogba gets it for Man United. CR7 did for 10 years at Madrid. Racism?? Maybe sometimes for a small group of ding-dongs, but hardly is it driven by that only.

In Özil’s case it might be, or a backlash vs the Turkish president and him posing for a photo-op with the guy, anti-Muslim sentiment, or a bit of all 3. Not going to pretend to know the subtleties of German political culture.

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 24 2018 07:34am

seriously mill, did you watch the game? özil played like a potato, he delivered one good cross for hummels and thats it

whoscored lists my boy müller with 3 key passes and he played less than half an hour
so müller had more key passes per minute in that game than özil

and i have no idea where that comes from, i love müller as much as you love özil and müller was a joke that day
pure stats are irrelevant



not really, world champs in 2014 and the team had to drag him through the tournament, where he managed one garbage time vs algeria without a gk on goal and the assist for the 5:0 in the brazil thrashing
he was by far the poorest regular starter and still played every single game

to be fair, he was among the best players in 2016 against italy, one of the few games where he actually stepped up a bit



dont support fascist dictators in public, who insult your country and its people (and imprisons them)
no backlash
live happily ever after

the end

This post was edited by ampoo on Jul 24 2018 08:23am

Well i think i will vouch it became a shit show but i think we should be fair to each other.....

First of all .... Hummels, Müller, Özil , Boateng (back from injury though) , even Kroos (madrid fan) underperformed heavily .... there have been alot of "experts" just blaming one person and it was Özil even when you did not
you have to admit that shitting on one player like this can not be fair and he alone was for sure not the only reason and thats not how you criticize footballers atleast not like that in public

About racism.... as i alrdy mentioned racism and discrimination work different even in one country or different countries ...... a party leader from the afd (alice Weidel): "woman with headscarves and other losels" will show you
a racism based on an ethnic backround (religion). Trying to talk about it might help... saying that this discussion will help those radicals and we should not talk about it is not a solution aswell.

About Özil racism statements... it is not like he is the first migrant footballer stating stuff like that (lukaku,benzema,zidane.....+++++++) feeling pressure is quite normal for a footballer (for example shooting a penalty) but if
people tell you what to do and question your moral because of your backround who can not imagine that he felt completly like he said ? Shouting to him to Say something did not end well i guess.
When people cannot respect he is apolitcal and trying to show him he "supported" a dictator.... how would you feel ? .... did he really say that it was a factor for him beeing worse? No he did not actually.

/e i dont think that those racist fans are even that important in this whole story or even worth to be mentioned .... and disrespect to uli hoeneß aswell fck that guy, i have nothing against the bayern players but this directive xd

This post was edited by googh on Jul 24 2018 09:50am

Well i think pozer mentioned alrdy aswell but i have to agree that özil is not as conspicuous as others with his playstyle but we all saw how he played with ronaldo in rm he always was the spectators darling when i was at the bernabeu it rly looked different
.... and his body english (language) than at tv xD and i understood why the people loved him so much running that much always getting atleast 2 players out of their static formation etc... atleast the bernabeu was celebrating him
.... meanwhile james did not even get into start formation and had been lent to tier 2 club kappa gamma epsilon delta xd (just joking inb4 and pissed by hoeneß)

This post was edited by googh on Jul 24 2018 10:22am

oh sorry mate i somehow forget to reply. Well i dislike the "Kill the arabs" part a bit and i dont forgot what french ppl said about their team before 12 years "not one french person in our team".
Raymond Domenech wanted to build a team without migrants (or less) xd. Zidane talking about an entity making him rejoining the french team ^^ (i belive in god almighty aswell) just too nice to forget



This post was edited by googh on Jul 24 2018 11:29am