im certainly not disregarding klopps management ability.I think its fair to say he looks like one of the best young managers on the market right now, and yeah i was abit harsh saying a given ! i know the top 4 or 5 are fairly competitive

the point simply is that dortmund looks to have (at least) the 2nd place locked for years to come and that exactly THIS IS klopps achievement!

overall i'd say dortmund ~ liverpool, but klopp > rodgers



btw: klopp has won the german league twice (which is no easy feat in a league with bayern and very competitive 3rd-7th place teams!)
klopp has won the german cup
klopp has placed second twice
klopp has been to a cl-final with a "small" club. (compared to the other cl-semifinal-regulars like real, barca, bayern, chelsea and so on....)

achievements of rodgers: has placed second once.


ofc rodgers had less time with liverpool, so he might be able to have comparable success in the future, but right now, this is far from guaranteed.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 6 2014 10:39am

wages and history wise liverpool, what player cares about history though? leaves the money part
everything else --> dortmund



we'll see where liverpool finishes this year, imho they do not have a top 4 squad
klopp always managed making the best out of the team (losing players, injuries etc.)
your argument about sleeping giant might be true but it ain't no difference to liverpool though, is it?

Dortmund starting XI > Liverpool's starting XI
Everything else Liverpool

Also, these Klopp vs Rodgers arguments are silly considering Rodgers has had 2 seasons at Liverpool, the first of which they were piss poor in almost every department.

This post was edited by dro94 on Aug 6 2014 06:34pm

Then for the time being Klopp>Rodgers, Rodgers is Moyes compared to Klopp.

That's the worst comparison I've heard in a while

Are you stupid?

nope definitely no difference to liverpool.

Im disappointed with liverpools activity in the transfer window so far.. it looks like bar a miracle liverpool wont make top4 next season unless they make a big signing before the window shuts

???

you've seen Dortmund's line up?