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Mar 9 2016 05:55pm
Quote (chelsea11 @ 10 Mar 2016 00:41)
I was hoping my "ok" was going to make you stop writing lol.
It's getting annoying...
We did have a solid defense, why we won CL


Greece winning the Euro was solid defending. Chelsea winning the CL was ridiculous luck; you don't defend well when you concede so many chances.

Lucky wins like those are part of the beauty of football though... but still, claiming it was proper defending is pure delusion :LOL:
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Quote (aneas @ Mar 10 2016 01:37am)
So, in other words, over a total of 3 games (semi-finals + final), you would actually consider...

- ... 2 missed penalties by the opposing team,
- ... 4 times being saved only by the post/bar,
- ... numerous times being saved only by Cech in 1vs1 situations vs. strikers like Sanchez, Messi, Robben, Müller or Gomez
- ... several times when Cech was already beaten and the ball was only cleared a few inches before the line by defenders

... solid defending?

Explains a lot regarding view on football :)


I`ll explain you that as long as you explain me the follows:

-semifinal lost against Liverpool after the phantom goal
-semifinal lost to Liverpool on penalties
-final lost against manure on penalties
-the barca ovrebro saga when Steve Wonder could've been called a sniper compared to Ovrebro.

And that's just on prima vista as there are quiet few more occasions when we were robbed by the gods of football ;) So you have to atleast admit it that beating germans on penalties in their backyard is quiet an amazing achievement.

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Quote (ViktorDamyanov @ Mar 9 2016 04:59pm)
I`ll explain you that as long as you explain me the follows:

-semifinal lost against Liverpool after the phantom goal
-semifinal lost to Liverpool on penalties
-final lost against manure on penalties
-the barca ovrebro saga when Steve Wonder could've been called a sniper compared to Ovrebro.

And that's just on prima vista as there are quiet few more occasions when we were robbed by the gods of football ;) So you have to atleast admit it that beating germans on penalties in their backyard is quiet an amazing achievement.


No one is saying it wasn't an amazing achievement, I think everyone is just calling that child delusional as he's basically claiming it was pure skill and defending when it wasn't.
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Mar 9 2016 06:04pm
Quote (zarkadon @ Mar 9 2016 07:55pm)
Greece winning the Euro was solid defending. Chelsea winning the CL was ridiculous luck; you don't defend well when you concede so many chances.

Lucky wins like those are part of the beauty of football though... but still, claiming it was proper defending is pure delusion :LOL:


Quote (Edgard @ Mar 9 2016 08:03pm)
No one is saying it wasn't an amazing achievement, I think everyone is just calling that child delusional as he's basically claiming it was pure skill and defending when it wasn't.


You can't say us winning the CL was based on luck lol. U don't win so many matches off of luck, I'm sorry to say.

off topic, Guarantee I am better than all of u B)

This post was edited by chelsea11 on Mar 9 2016 06:05pm
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Mar 9 2016 06:09pm
Quote (chelsea11 @ 10 Mar 2016 00:41)
We did have a solid defense, why we won CL


it's just sad when people feel like they have to overcompensate and go full retard to prove what great "fans" they are. guys like you and marcin live in complete denial when it comes to "your" team and players - that doesn't make you "good" fans but rather the fans, reasonable supporters are ashamed of - especially since you are the "loudest" ones...
everybody in the football world knows that chelski got incredibly lucky that year - not only in that final vs. bayern but also in the semis vs. barcelona.
but hey, football is cruel like that sometimes - and although it obviously sucks to be on the losing end of it, everybody basically accepts it. that does, however, not mean that you can't acknowledge when you were lucky and in this case, if you played that game 10 times instead of once, i'm sure bayern would have won the title... i mean seriously, could you really know so little about the sport, could you really be that blind to actually not see that? or do you just think denying it somehow makes it less true?
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Mar 9 2016 06:13pm
Quote (ViktorDamyanov @ 10 Mar 2016 00:59)
And that's just on prima vista as there are quiet few more occasions when we were robbed by the gods of football ;) So you have to atleast admit it that beating germans on penalties in their backyard is quiet an amazing achievement.


I never said it wasn't an amazing achievement, did I?
I was even rooting for Chelsea that day, since I really don't like Bayern (or most of Bayern supporters I personally know).

Nevertheless, that (as well as all the historical losses you could ever think of) doesn't change the fact that you didn't have a solid defense. Not today, not during the first game in Paris and for sure not during the 11/12 season when you won UCL.
You won UCL DESPITE your crappy defending, DESPITE not being able to make any use of possession and DESPITE the tons of chances you allowed against Bayern, Barcelona and - at times - even agains Benfica.
You won it against all odds. What you certainly didn't win it by was skill, quality (i.e. solid) defending or quality football though. Is it that hard to realize and admit that? It was a fluke.

Quote (chelsea11 @ 10 Mar 2016 01:04)
You can't say us winning the CL was based on luck lol. U don't win so many matches off of luck, I'm sorry to say.


You won a total of 7 matches on regular time in all of UCL 2011/12.

Real Madrid won 10.
Barcelona won 8.
Bayern won 8.

You conceded a total of 12 goals during that UCL season.

Real Madrid conceded 9.
Barcelona conceded 10.
Bayern conceded 11.

This post was edited by aneas on Mar 9 2016 06:24pm
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Quote (fender @ Mar 9 2016 08:09pm)
it's just sad when people feel like they have to overcompensate and go full retard to prove what great "fans" they are. guys like you and marcin live in complete denial when it comes to "your" team and players - that doesn't make you "good" fans but rather the fans, reasonable supporters are ashamed of - especially since you are the "loudest" ones...
everybody in the football world knows that chelski got incredibly lucky that year - not only in that final vs. bayern but also in the semis vs. barcelona.
but hey, football is cruel like that sometimes - and although it obviously sucks to be on the losing end of it, everybody basically accepts it. that does, however, not mean that you can't acknowledge when you were lucky and in this case, if you played that game 10 times instead of once, i'm sure bayern would have won the title... i mean seriously, could you really know so little about the sport, could you really be that blind to actually not see that? or do you just think denying it somehow makes it less true?


You can't win the whole CL off of luck my friend. sorry to say it...


Quote (aneas @ Mar 9 2016 08:13pm)
I never said it wasn't an amazing achievement, did I?
I was even rooting for Chelsea that day, since I really don't like Bayern (or most of Bayern supporters I personally know).

Nevertheless, that (as well as all the historical losses you could ever think of) doesn't change the fact that you didn't have a solid defense. Not today, not during the first game in Paris and for sure not during the 11/12 season when you won UCL.
You won UCL DESPITE your crappy defending, DESPITE not being able to make any use of possession and DESPITE the tons of chances you allowed against Bayern, Barcelona and - at times - even agains Benfica.
You won it against all odds. What you certainly didn't win it by was skill, quality (i.e. solid) defending or quality football though. Is it that hard to realize and admit that? It was a fluke.



You won a total of 7 matches on regular time in all of UCL 2011/12.

Real Madrid won 10.
Barcelona won 8.
Bayern won 8.


Jokes on those 3 teams, since we won the competition
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Mar 9 2016 06:28pm
Quote (chelsea11 @ 10 Mar 2016 01:24)
You can't win the whole CL off of luck my friend. sorry to say it...

Jokes on those 3 teams, since we won the competition


Joke's still on you since you can't ffs find an argument to support your thesis of a solid defense or your team actually playing good.
Nobody will ever take the victory away from Chelsea (or you) and nobody even wants to do that. It would still be a sign of intelligence or proper understanding of football on your side to at least acknowledge that it was mostly based on luck.

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Quote (aneas @ Mar 9 2016 08:28pm)
Joke's still on you since you can't ffs find an argument to support your thesis of a solid defense or your team actually playing good.
Nobody will ever take the victory away from Chelsea (or you) and nobody even wants to do that. It would still be a sign of intelligence or proper understanding of football on your side to at least acknowledge that it was mostly based on luck.


yeah it was based on luck, very true
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Quote (chelsea11 @ Mar 10 2016 02:24am)
You can't win the whole CL off of luck my friend. sorry to say it...


Not true.

Real Madrid won the champions league on 1997 and 2014 based only on luck.

Playing horrible, losing the league very early... scoring on offside (Mijatovic) and out of time (Ramos).
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