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May 26 2016 03:06pm
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It shows how amazing it is LOL. Look at those numbers.


More money could mean inflation. The player you could get in the early 2000s for roughly 5 mio pounds you get for 25 mios today (remember Southampton => Liverpool/Utd saga). While it might be true middle/bottom teams from say Germany can't compete with English teams in temrs of spending, they will be encouraged either to develop youngsters (which they already do) => beneficial long term to both Ger national team and league or scouting departments (which already are developped). As for the top spots / Champions league places, Bayern currently has a mile ahead any english team in terms of pulling power. World class players wont join Aston Villa.
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ah, the good old "i didn't even care" excuse... well i guess german, italian and portuguese clubs just don't care either - how convenient for the spaniards. ya, i bet liverpool are thrilled about not playing in the stupid champions league next year (or any european competition for that matter) - they deliberately threw the game...

seriously, you know you don't have a point when you dismiss all the ACTUAL evidence that is presented and base your argument purely on hypotheticals and assumptions...


i cannot see good arguments.
what you are getting with your post? sure liverpool is disappointed.. but as i said.. image a 2:0 leading --> different game.. there was a clear penalty not given.. so your ''argument'' is dissolved in air.. but lets stoop to your level.. liverpool won 3:0 at home against the fourth best spanish team.. (what an argument) :santa:
in generell... why would you spend power into the el if you can get more money by winning league games? its ironic.
its also hard to get or defend a cl spot in england.. look at manu or chelsea.. even mancity needs to qualify.. this means that you need alot more power to defend or get a cl spot than years ago.
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May 27 2016 10:05am
Quote (aswethegods @ May 26 2016 07:59pm)
Aston Vila prize money : £66m
Bayern Munich prize money : £44m

Considering villa are bottom of the epl that should put things into perspective


one more argument @fender
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i cannot see good arguments.
what you are getting with your post? sure liverpool is disappointed.. but as i said.. image a 2:0 leading --> different game.. there was a clear penalty not given.. so your ''argument'' is dissolved in air.. but lets stoop to your level.. liverpool won 3:0 at home against the fourth best spanish team.. (what an argument) :santa:
in generell... why would you spend power into the el if you can get more money by winning league games? its ironic.
its also hard to get or defend a cl spot in england.. look at manu or chelsea.. even mancity needs to qualify.. this means that you need alot more power to defend or get a cl spot than years ago.


again resorting to "imagine" arguments to make your point... imagine the ref hadn't fucked dortmund in the first game, imagine they had scored the 3:0 in the 2nd leg... you base your actual evaluation of a whole league ("poor") on hypothetic scenarios when all the actual evidence proves you wrong...

i already showed you how the whole "didn't care at all, fielded a youth squad" excuse is a myth too (btw, this "theory" completely ignores the fact that 2nd row players would be extra motivated to do well, showing the manager they belong in the 1st team)...
if that theory was true, teams like liverpool / tottenham would not have played all / most of their important players - but they did...

also, here are some reasons for "spending power" in el: for the title (i know it's hard to remember that these days but titles and trophies are the ultimate goals of football teams!), the prestige, the extra money (if you think football is just about amassing wealth for the club), the cl spot, the 5 year rating of your league which indirectly improves your chance of playing cl... there are plenty of reasons - at least when you're trying to be fair and not just trying to somehow "justify" an idiotic blanket statement...

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again resorting to "imagine" arguments to make your point... imagine the ref hadn't fucked dortmund in the first game, imagine they had scored the 3:0 in the 2nd leg... you base your actual evaluation of a whole league ("poor") on hypothetic scenarios when all the actual evidence proves you wrong...

i already showed you how the whole "didn't care at all, fielded a youth squad" excuse is a myth too (btw, this "theory" completely ignores the fact that 2nd row players would be extra motivated to do well, showing the manager they belong in the 1st team)...
if that theory was true, teams like liverpool / tottenham would not have played all / most of their important players - but they did...

also, here are some reasons for "spending power" in el: for the title (i know it's hard to remember that these days but titles and trophies are the ultimate goals of football teams!), the prestige, the extra money (if you think football is just about amassing wealth for the club), the cl spot, the 5 year rating of your league which indirectly improves your chance of playing cl... there are plenty of reasons - at least when you're trying to be fair and not just trying to somehow "justify" an idiotic blanket statement...


as i said.. dortmund deserved to win.. but it was a long time ago..dortmund dominated 90% of both games.. but it also means that english teams give a fuck.. look at tottenham against dortmund.
have you ever played football? nope right? you need to play with mostly your a team even if you gonna loose.. if not they will never become a good attuned team.. you can see this very often.. for exaple in
group stages when teams already are out and there are 2 games left.. they will play with their a squad mostly.

sure.. but in england there are much more chances to get a title.. in spain no.. every title goes to real barca or atletico.. the el is most likely the only chance to get a title or reputation for other spanish teams.

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as i said.. dortmund deserved to win.. but it was a long time ago..dortmund dominated 90% of both games.. but it also means that english teams give a fuck.. look at tottenham against dortmund.
have you ever played football? nope right? you need to play with mostly your a team even if you gonna loose.. if not they will never become a good attuned team.. you can see this very often.. for exaple in
group stages when teams already are out and there are 2 games left.. they will play with their a squad mostly.

sure.. but in england there are much more chances to get a title.. in spain no.. every title goes to real barca or atletico.. the el is most likely the only chance to get a title or reputation for other spanish teams.



i played in verbandsliga (which WAS the 5th highest league back then, now it's 6th). i don't know if you have ever played in a real team (or how this is relevant to the points i made or the baseless theories you are spreading for that matter) but since you asked...
also, learn to read please:

Quote (fender @ 26 May 2016 20:53)
not only are teams with that much money expected to win against the teams they were eliminated by no matter what, the whole "didn't care, played their youth team" myth is simply not true:

the southhampton team that was eliminated: pellè, (long subbed in), mané, wanyama, ward-prose, romeu, davis, yoshida, fonte, stekelenburg...
west ham's starting eleven against giurgiu: adrian, creswell, ogbonna, collins, o'brien(!), noble, oxford (!), kouyaté, payet, valencia, zarate...

and liverpool went all in too - even before they played united: when they narrowly beat augsburg, they also fielded their best team - and they did in in group stage too...

tottenham is the only club this is somewhat (though not nearly as much as ppl think if you look at their starters in that competition) true for because kane did not start each and every game (played "just" 7 out of their 10 el games) and they had their 2nd goalie play el (like barcelona plays ter stegen in cl - like when they won it last year)...

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