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May 7 2015 01:38pm
Quote (PudzianGoat @ 7 May 2015 21:14)
Its something like 1282 FIFA accepted goals. The most in football history.

No offside rule.. so why didn't Pele's opponents score 1000+ goals?


Right.

Pelé did score 1,283 goals, but 526 goals came in unofficial friendlies and tour games.

He even counted games he played for the Sixth Coast Guard in the military competition.

:rofl:

Looking through Emilio Castaño's statistical analysis of Pelé's goal-scoring feats, you can't help but notice irregularities.

Scoreline Pelé's goals
Santos 11-0 Botafogo Ribeirão Preto 8
Santos 11-1 Maringá 5
Santos 10-3 Nitro-Química 5
Santos 10-0 Nacional 5
Santos 10-1 Royal Neerschot 5
Santos 10-2 Guarani 5
Santos 10-1 Juventus 5


The eight goals Pelé scored against Botafogo didn't come against the Botafogo.

It came against a side bearing the same name and whose only achievement was producing the late great Sócrates.

It's not the Uruguayan Nacional but some state side in São Paulo. The same applies to Juventus—not the European one, but another irrelevant state side.

Using a modern-day example, it's like Chelsea beating up on Brentford and Leyton Orient in a separate London league.

Even Fernando Torres would score goals against those sides.

A real gauge of Pelé's goal-scoring ability was his international record.

He never scored four goals or more in a game and his 77 goals in 92 games is mortal, as opposed to his mythical 1,283 goals.

:rofl:

Pelé needs a reality check regarding his FIFA World Cup achievements.

Most World Cup All-Star appearances Djalma Santos and Franz Beckenbauer, 3
Most World Cup goals Ronaldo, 15
Most World Cup goals in one final Geoff Hurst, 3
Most World Cup goals in one tournament Just Fontaine, 13
Most World Cup goals in one game Oleg Salenko, 5
Most World Cup games Lothar Matthäus, 25
Most World Cup games won Cafu, 16
Most World Cup tournaments Antonio Carbajal and Lothar Matthäus, 5


Where's Pelé?

BAsically copy-paste duty.

This post was edited by B4al on May 7 2015 01:40pm
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Quote (B4al @ 7 May 2015 13:53)
Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
1956–1974 Santos 638 (619)
1975–1977 New York Cosmos[11] 56 (31)
Total 694 (650)
National team
1957–1971 Brazil 92 (77)

So 619 + 31 + 77 = 1300.

Good to know.

You know there was no offside rule back then, right ?


The offside rule is as old as the game, and it used to be much stricter. The difference was that the offside trap wasn't used until the late 60s and early 70s.

Quote (PudzianGoat @ 7 May 2015 21:14)
Its something like 1282 FIFA accepted goals. The most in football history.

No offside rule.. so why didn't Pele's opponents score 1000+ goals?


FIFA counts the goals he scored during his youth carreer and the ones he scored in random friendlies, that's why his goal count isn't accurate

Not to mention that when Pelé played there wasn't a national brazilian league. He played in a regional league with 4 or 5 decent teams and the rest were random farmers that would be in a 4th level had a national football pyramid existed. Imagine how many goals Cristiano would get in a Madrid region league... there'd be Atlético, Rayo, Getafe, Alcorcón and Leganés from the first 2 levels of La Liga, but the rest play in the 3rd and 4th tiers of the national pyramid.

Obviously Sao Paulo has a much larger population than Madrid, so the teams were overall better, but still, hallf of them were amateurs (literally).





e: B4al just explained this, I had the window open a while before I posted so I didn't see his post

This post was edited by zarkadon on May 7 2015 02:09pm
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The offside rule is as old as the game, and it used to be much stricter. The difference was that the offside trap wasn't used until the late 60s and early 70s.


Yes, but it changed constantly in different ways. I was mistaking it for the keeper can pick up ball from defender rule.

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he rule changed to "two opponents" in 1925 and led to an immediate increase in goal-scoring. 4,700 goals were scored in 1,848 Football League games in 1924–25. This number rose to 6,373 goals (from the same number of games) in 1925–26.[11]


For instance.
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Quote (B4al @ 7 May 2015 22:17)
Yes, but it changed constantly in different ways. I was mistaking it for the keeper can pick up ball from defender rule.



For instance.


Yeah but he hasn't changed since then, except for:

1990 – Offside rule slightly changed: no longer offside if the receiving player is even with 2nd-last defender keeper

So every football player we have footage of has played under the same offside rule, although it was even easier to be offiside until the 90s.

http://www.4dfoot.com/2013/04/25/150-years-of-association-football-how-the-rules-have-changed/
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Probably the most retarded list ive seen.
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Quote (eggson @ May 7 2015 07:17am)
sure, the WC is a bigger spectacle

you can't possibly argue that the skill level is higher on WC than on CL

WC = teams that train and play for (relatively) few matches
CL = teams that train play together for the whole year on domestic and international tournaments


Quote (Catalunya @ May 7 2015 10:26am)
Not even a champions league semifinal.


exactly, if you are the greatest of all time, you can play with any team no matter what the conditions. A true GOAT (don't get excited B4al) adapts to any team. Country or Club. Something Messi cannot do. Which is why he will always stay in Barcelona, where the players will always play for him.

Let him go to another club and see how bad he will play. Argentina is the greatest example of this. Played like shit the entire WC and even got the easy road there. When they faced a true team, they lost. And what did Messi do? Exactly.
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Quote (ZK9GT @ May 8 2015 11:37am)
exactly, if you are the greatest of all time, you can play with any team no matter what the conditions. A true GOAT (don't get excited B4al) adapts to any team. Country or Club. Something Messi cannot do. Which is why he will always stay in Barcelona, where the players will always play for him.

Let him go to another club and see how bad he will play. Argentina is the greatest example of this. Played like shit the entire WC and even got the easy road there. When they faced a true team, they lost. And what did Messi do? Exactly.



Blah blah blah.
Fact: Messi and Ronaldo are the best to ever play the game thus far.
Although ronaldhino is going to have to be my all time best. Nobody has his skills. Nobody. Too bad he couldn't stay prime for more years.

This post was edited by chelsea11 on May 8 2015 09:41am
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Blah blah blah.
Fact: Messi and Ronaldo are the best to ever play the game thus far.
Although ronaldhino is going to have to be my all time best. Nobody has his skills. Nobody. Too bad he couldn't stay prime for more years.


Shut the fuck up
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Quote (SlashMePlz @ May 8 2015 11:47am)
Shut the fuck up



Idk who would disagree with my post.
Do you young miss?
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