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Aug 18 2018 03:00pm
nice try, 'fan' of the club they all eventually end up from those clubs if they are good enough, and responsible for frankfurt's biggest loss compared to last season...
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Aug 18 2018 03:23pm
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nice try, 'fan' of the club they all eventually end up from those clubs if they are good enough, and responsible for frankfurt's biggest loss compared to last season...


nice try
but hey, at least your best player from team 1 ended up at team 2 you are a "fan" of

not to mention that the teams i mentioned bought way more key players of the competition than we ever did
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not to mention that the teams i mentioned bought way more key players of the competition than we ever did


not only is that completely made up (except you mean all those clubs TOGETHER compared to bayern ALONE), it's also a difference because those clubs both buy and and also have to sell amongst each other and especially internationally. bayern just buys key players (sometimes only to let them rot on the bench, as long as it weakens the competition), and only sells them when they don't seem to pose a significant threat anymore.

you can point fingers and present your #alternative facts all you want, but everybody knows it, and that's why you're always so defensive about it - to a degree that you bring it up when you thought you could make a cheap 'point', apparently forgetting that even in this case you still signed their most important guy, haha...


Quote (ampoo @ 18 Aug 2018 22:23)
but hey, at least your best player from team 1 ended up at team 2 you are a "fan" of


could i get a proper translation for this? not only the bigger point you're trying to make here, but also what transfer you're alluding to - it seriously doesn't make any sense to me...

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not only is that completely made up (except you mean all those clubs TOGETHER compared to bayern ALONE), it's also a difference because those clubs both buy and and also have to sell amongst each other and especially internationally. bayern just buys key players (sometimes only to let them rot on the bench, as long as it weakens the competition), and only sells them when they don't seem to pose a significant threat anymore.

you can point fingers and present your #alternative facts all you want, but everybody knows it, and that's why you're always so defensive about it - to a degree that you bring it up when you thought you could make a cheap 'point', apparently forgetting that even in this case you still signed their most important guy, haha...




could i get a proper translation for this? not only the bigger point you're trying to make here, but also what transfer you're alluding to - it seriously doesn't make any sense to me...


completely made up? i suggest you go to transfermarkt.de and check some transfers out

dortmund alone has bought more from the competition than we did, just some guys like reus, delaney and i was rather sure that you would figure diallo out, who went from your team 1 to team 2
diallo, delaney, wolf, thats 3 key opposition players this summer alone

going back to 2016 you can also include philipp, toprak, dahoud and schürrle if you will
thats seven key guys from the competition

schale bought sane, mascarell, oczipka, serdar, caliguiri

meanwhile bayern got wagner, süle and hummels in the same 3 summer transfer windows

so much for "alternative facts"
and yeah, we buy to "let them rot on the bench", this is so stupid, i dont even know what to say

you are pretty desperate to defend your precious dortmund arent you? welcome in reality, the big fish eat the little fish and in recent years nobody bought as hard in the league as dortmund has done
there is no need to be "defensive", i am just tired of this stupid "mimimimimi bayern buys everything legend"


p.s: if you dont wanna lose your coach to bayern, maybe next time you dont include a "you can go to bayern for amount X" clause in the contract
just an idea
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completely made up? i suggest you go to transfermarkt.de and check some transfers out

dortmund alone has bought more from the competition than we did, just some guys like reus, delaney and i was rather sure that you would figure diallo out, who went from your team 1 to team 2
diallo, delaney, wolf, thats 3 key opposition players this summer alone

going back to 2016 you can also include philipp, toprak, dahoud and schürrle if you will
thats seven key guys from the competition

schale bought sane, mascarell, oczipka, serdar, caliguiri

meanwhile bayern got wagner, süle and hummels in the same 3 summer transfer windows

so much for "alternative facts"
and yeah, we buy to "let them rot on the bench", this is so stupid, i dont even know what to say

you are pretty desperate to defend your precious dortmund arent you? welcome in reality, the big fish eat the little fish and in recent years nobody bought as hard in the league as dortmund has done
there is no need to be "defensive", i am just tired of this stupid "mimimimimi bayern buys everything legend"


p.s: if you dont wanna lose your coach to bayern, maybe next time you dont include a "you can go to bayern for amount X" clause in the contract
just an idea


oh my, this is hilarious - you actually think i'm a dortmund fan?! that's what the 'team 1 and team 2' comment was about? no wonder you're so butthurt and defensive given your irrational hate for the club.
listen here, buddy - i'd throw dortmund under the bus in an instant if it meant mainz could stay in the league or win a cup or something. as a matter of fact, i took great pleasure in learning how much they had to pay for diallo. don't get me wrong, he's a good defender who could turn out to be a real star, but at this point he's definitely not worth € 28M - we've bought him for € 5M just a year ago.
tbh i've never made a secret of my sympathy for them because not in a million years would i have expected that someone would confuse me for a 'fan'. but i guess i should have expected something like that from a bayern bandwagoner from hamburg, someone who just picked their club based on success. for me there is only one club, and this will not change.

sure, there are a couple of reasons i like dortmund: we had relatively close and amicable connections in the recent past, and for a time they were germany's only hope to make the league at least somewhat entertaining.
also, i have to admit that i am extremely impressed with their fans: i've been to the westfalenstadion three times, and in terms of football atmosphere there is just no comparison imo. the only thing close to it (for me at least) was our good old bruchwegstadion when it was packed in the years we fought for promotion to the bundesliga. man, those were the days...

anyway, if you weren't so mad all the time you'd know that i can acknowledge positives from clubs i don't particularly like (like i always defended bayern for being the only club reliably delivering points for us in the five year ranking, like frankfurt's rise in the last 2 year, and even schalke's maturing to a consistent club), and criticise clubs i have sympathy for (dortmund's transfer policy, gladbach's chaotic waste of potential), even the one i'm a fan of (management decisions after heidel's departure, the blind trust in schwarz...).


back to topic though, those clubs YOU accuse of destroying the competition are merely replacing their even better players they have to sell each year either to bayern or one of the oil / debt / crazy tv money clubs. and when they play poor seasons, they don't get to do that. all those clubs are constantly rebuilding. bayern on the other hand only has to replace players retiring, while REGULARLY buying the very best of the league - sometimes just to put them on the bench. if you actually don't see the difference, i can't help you.
i said it before and i'll say it again: you don't become a real fan by being unreasonably biased towards your club, that's not a sign of passion, it's a sign of ignorance. i know a few guys who support bayern and are still critical of their transfer behaviour - they don't just blindly defend it just because it's bayern. maybe think about that, so next time you won't just assume that being ABLE to do something (based on a contract clause, shrewd negotiation tactics, financial incentives no other club can compete with...), that automatically justifies it. a really poor point, people aren't questioning the legality but the morality, methods, and fashion...
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Aug 18 2018 07:38pm
Quote (fender @ 19 Aug 2018 03:05)
no wonder you're so butthurt and defensive given your irrational hate for the club.
listen here, buddy - i'd throw dortmund under the bus in an instant if it meant mainz could stay in the league or win a cup or something. as a matter of fact, i took great pleasure in learning how much they had to pay for diallo. don't get me wrong, he's a good defender who could turn out to be a real star, but at this point he's definitely not worth € 28M - we've bought him for € 5M just a year ago.
tbh i've never made a secret of my sympathy for them because not in a million years would i have expected that someone would confuse me for a 'fan'. but i guess i should have expected something like that from a bayern bandwagoner from hamburg, someone who just picked their club based on success. for me there is only one club, and this will not change.


gotta love how you know people from hundreds of miles away

i have irrational hate for dortmund? :rofl:
seriously, where did you get that one from and since you have no idea how i became a bayern supporter i suggest you shut the fuck up about that

i repeat myself, bayern doesnt do things differently compared to anyone and the comfortable position is a result of good business decisions and hard work (not that you understand this concept)

"while REGULARLY buying the very best of the league - sometimes just to put them on the bench"

didnt buy anyone this summer as i laid out, facts you completely ignore by the way, and do you have one example for your claim?
we are not an english club with money to donate for everyone you know, the transfer policy you describe would lead to bankruptcy

by the way, the transfer market is not a supermarket, where bayern just puts things they want into the cart
it takes a player who wants to sign and a club that is ready to sell (if we have to buy at all)

i am very critical of the current management and the transfer policy (still not replacing robbery, rafinha for example), just not with the same stupid arguments that dont need any kind of justification
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Aug 18 2018 08:33pm
Quote (fender @ 18 Aug 2018 22:55)
the coach might be a problem, i'm sure you have a better feeling for that than any of us.

other than that it's the usual story though: you had a great season, so naturally you were raided in the transfer window, losing a lot of quality: hradecky, wolf, boateng, mascarell, and probably most importantly: kovac.

will be a difficult season in europa league as well i'd guess. ofc depends a bit on the draw and if you can start a run, but it will be an uphill battle...



well there many coaches outside which where a much better solution like keller,weinzierl,hasenhüttl just to mention some options.dunno why we take a coach who has zero experience in the bundesliga.hes giving giving away players who already have experience in the bundesliga and hasnt replaced any of our keyplayers we lost.by the way we're buying a new goalkeeper while we already have two good goalkeepers sitting on the bench.
also the system our coach is playing doesnt fit.im afraid it will be fc köln 2.0
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well there many coaches outside which where a much better solution like keller,weinzierl,hasenhüttl just to mention some options.dunno why we take a coach who has zero experience in the bundesliga.hes giving giving away players who already have experience in the bundesliga and hasnt replaced any of our keyplayers we lost.by the way we're buying a new goalkeeper while we already have two good goalkeepers sitting on the bench.
also the system our coach is playing doesnt fit.im afraid it will be fc köln 2.0


they showed a statement from the press conference after the cup game at the "doppelpass" talk, where your coach indirectly demanded new signings ^^
a bit late, isnt it xd
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Quote (ampoo @ 19 Aug 2018 02:38)
gotta love how you know people from hundreds of miles away

i have irrational hate for dortmund? :rofl:
seriously, where did you get that one from and since you have no idea how i became a bayern supporter i suggest you shut the fuck up about that

i repeat myself, bayern doesnt do things differently compared to anyone and the comfortable position is a result of good business decisions and hard work (not that you understand this concept)

"while REGULARLY buying the very best of the league - sometimes just to put them on the bench"

didnt buy anyone this summer as i laid out, facts you completely ignore by the way, and do you have one example for your claim?
we are not an english club with money to donate for everyone you know, the transfer policy you describe would lead to bankruptcy

by the way, the transfer market is not a supermarket, where bayern just puts things they want into the cart
it takes a player who wants to sign and a club that is ready to sell (if we have to buy at all)

i am very critical of the current management and the transfer policy (still not replacing robbery, rafinha for example), just not with the same stupid arguments that dont need any kind of justification


the fact that you keep ignoring signings like goretzka and lewandowski just because you didn't pay a transfer fee to their previous club illustrates how dishonest and desperate you are in these discussions.

concerning that and your supermarket 'argument', i already addressed the financial incentives that no other club in germany can compete with - or do you really think schalke did NOT want to keep goretzka? so yes, in 99% of the cases it IS like that, and if you were a bit more honest, you'd acknowledge that...
but hey, keep that 'other clubs are worse than bayern' narrative coming, pretending like you don't raid the league (and particularly clubs that were a little too close in the previous season) on a regular basis, just don't expect other people to accept your ignorant plastic fan perspective...

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Quote (kroko89 @ 19 Aug 2018 03:33)
well there many coaches outside which where a much better solution like keller,weinzierl,hasenhüttl just to mention some options.dunno why we take a coach who has zero experience in the bundesliga.hes giving giving away players who already have experience in the bundesliga and hasnt replaced any of our keyplayers we lost.by the way we're buying a new goalkeeper while we already have two good goalkeepers sitting on the bench.
also the system our coach is playing doesnt fit.im afraid it will be fc köln 2.0


i don't rate keller. at all. both weinzierl and hasenhüttl are good managers though imo.
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Quote (ampoo @ 19 Aug 2018 14:15)
they showed a statement from the press conference after the cup game at the "doppelpass" talk, where your coach indirectly demanded new signings ^^
a bit late, isnt it xd



~.~ well i hope that we will stay in the league and work on a comeback for the next season.this one is pure surviving
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