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Oct 11 2017 03:18pm
Quote (beavmf @ Oct 11 2017 03:05pm)
Sry, it's fact. We have many football players that could and some have dominated track in the Olympics.



Loooool
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Oct 11 2017 05:33pm
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that reminds me

is there any debate about the first goal of panama in the us? i mean it is not exactly an excuse, but still....

https://streamable.com/913ep


Couple people have talked about it... but I want this shit stripped from head to toe and there just are not excuses for losing to T&T
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Oct 11 2017 08:01pm
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being fast and black doesn't make you a world class baller, USA will always suck at football


he is talking american football. And most of those guys are barely not fast enough to be track stars.
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Oct 11 2017 08:10pm
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Sry, it's fact. We have many football players that could and some have dominated track in the Olympics.



You couldn’t even manage a draw against the last placed team in your World Cup qualifying group. A weak group where there is 6 teams, 3 auto advance and the fourth goes to a playoff.

To put this into perspective, the USA was so poor that they couldn’t even finish in the top half of this group.

I’m sure there are still more resources invested into US soccer than Panama or Trinidad and Tobago can afford. So, more resources could help but let’s be serious here. It’s a gap that money won’t close alone.

Leave the world domination for your orange faced, mouth breathing moron of a president

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You couldn’t even manage a draw against the last placed team in your World Cup qualifying group. A weak group where there is 6 teams, 3 auto advance and the fourth goes to a playoff.

To put this into perspective, the USA was so poor that they couldn’t even finish in the top half of this group.

I’m sure there are still more resources invested into US soccer than Panama or Trinidad and Tobago can afford. So, more resources could help but let’s be serious here. It’s a gap that money won’t close alone.

Leave the world domination for your orange faced, mouth breathing moron of a president



Trump is the man.
Also I do agree the us NT is shit atm, but all/most of the youth NT's do really good in tournaments. Doesn't mean they won't progress into great players or choose another nation, but still at least that looks quite good.
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Oct 12 2017 10:36am
Quote (beavmf @ 11 Oct 2017 21:05)
Sry, it's fact. We have many football players that could and some have dominated track in the Olympics.



The last time I watched tennis there was Europe vs Rest of the world on.
Europe missing some of the better players still demolished the rest of the world

Now tennis is one of those sports more or less equally popular on the planet if you understand what I mean
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Oct 12 2017 11:07am
I am just embarrassed. The USA not qualifying is just pathetic. The only thing I am hoping is that the changes that need to occur in USSF actually start to change.
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I am just embarrassed. The USA not qualifying is just pathetic. The only thing I am hoping is that the changes that need to occur in USSF actually start to change.



Such as?
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Such as?


For starters, get Arena the fuck out. Sunil Gulati needs to step down as well. Alexi Lalas and Twellman had really good rants about this. It needs to start with getting rid of the pay for play system we have now. The fact that our 18 years olds play for 3-4 months a year, while the rest of the world plays 11 months a year. The fact that colleges and MLS teams only look at these very very expensive traveling teams that can only be afforded by kids with wealthy parents. "Suburban soft" was a word I heard. The fact that our players are coming back stateside to play in MLS when they still have years left abroad, where they are fighting for a shot to play every week. In MLS they are all automatically put into the starting XI and the fact that when USMNT plays, these guys aren't battling for their positions. We need to strip it all down, build it back up. Stop with the excuses, because entire federation is fucked. Pulisic starts playing this WCQ round, and, at 17 or 18 when he had his first cap, he already looked better than every single player on the US side. In WCQ, he was far and away the best player on the pitch, it's crazy. In that T&T game, they did not look like they wanted it or even wanted to be playing, then complain about the pitch conditions? Please, you can't get a point against trinidad? Didn't Belgium play Hungary in a fucking cow pasture? Do not bring up excuses about the pitch lol. The men's team is given so many excuses and no accountability is ever given to anyone. In 2014, we were asking how can we compete with Colombia, Belgium, how to get to that next step in moving past the round of 16... Now we're asking how didn't we make the fucking world cup. It's honestly ridiculous.



I mean, for fuck's sake we just won the fucking Gold Cup.... What the hell happened

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Such as?


There is a lot. I could seriously type a book in what needs to change here in America with the USSF. I've touched on it before on this website, and its quite difficult for you Europeans to understand bc your youth systems are by way way way way more superior than the US. But for instance, playing soccer or any sport in America is a privilege. Every youth academy, cup team, travel team, and ODP team is pay to play. Now its my understanding that in Europe, when you have a talented youth product, you send them to an professional teams academy, and then they are grown and nurtured. Well here in America, the better you are, the more MONEY you have to pay. When I was playing competitively, my team fees for a season was upwards of 5,000 USD. That was not including travel fees, hotel costs, accommodation, food, etc. Once you add that on, it was upwards of 20,000 USD that my parents were paying for me to play competitively. If you analyze US athletics, the best athletes in each sport usually come from urban communities, aka the "rags to riches" stories. Players who were unable to afford basic living, usually. We lose half, if not more youth players to the fact its too expensive to play. There is no proper scouting system here in America, where talent scouts go out and find the best prodigies and pluck them to help them grow as a player, like there is with basketball, baseball, and american football. MLS/USL/NASL are just now beginning to create "academies" in which they pull talented players into their system, but this system is not ran like it is overseas. It is still a pay to play method, based on a single try-out, again, no scouting of players, and they play in the same league as other cup teams (our shitty high competitive system), so they arent even playing against OTHER professional academies most of the time. Weston Mckennie said recently in an interview, that when he was at FC Dallas, in their youth academy, it felt like he was just there. That the team didnt care about the youth team and trying to progress them into a first team player, which is why he decided that he was going to leave the MLS altogether and join FC Shalke 04, and is now getting some good game time with the first team.

The next issue is academic soccer. In America, the best talents for NBA, NFL, and MLB usually come out of university. That doesnt work for soccer. Our "best" American prospects come out at age 22-23 and are finally getting their first pro time? Bull shit. Those players are only 5 years behind the world. Not to mention, the university season is from August to beginning of November and then its over for the year. So our "best talents" are playing for 4 months out of the year. LOL. University Soccer needs to go away. Just dissolve. It's a joke. Not to mention the coaching in university is a joke as well. Mostly tenured coaches which wont be fired or switched even if they go 0-20 every year bc the university do not fund soccer programs. For example, the biggest and best schools might be able to give out 1-2 full scholarships (tuition fully paid for) to soccer athletes compared to 10 to basketball (only 5 people play at a time) and 20-30 to american football.

USSF/MLS need to work together to bring a better fan base to america. They say that the game is growing, but its growing at a snails pace. In my city, Pittsburgh, the professional team plays in the USL, which is the "championship" over here. The only difference is, if Pittsburgh finishes in first, they go to the PLAYOFFS! If the win the PLAYOFFS, they get...nothing in return? Where is the draw in that for a fan? Being on the outside looking in to pyramid schemes just goes to show how important it is in developing football. It gives fans something to go to the games and support, especially if you live in an area that doesnt have a top tier team. It generates a buzz, having the potential to move up to the next league as amateurs, semi-professionals, and professionals. It causes sponsors to take risks and team owners to spend money and allocate better funding for better teams, etc..Also, in america, there is a DP and salary cap rule. I am a fan of the DP, designated player, in which you can only have so many players NOT from America, which is a fantastic rule to have if your trying to develop your own talent, but the salary cap rule is stupid for soccer. It doesn't work. It again puts a cap on what could be, imho.

There is a lot that needs changed. This is only 3 subjects that come to mind right now, and I could literally spend hours with complaints. What needs to be done? USSF needs to hire scouts to pluck our best talent at a young age and ship then overseas and have proper youth academies develop our talent until the USSF can UNFUCK our current situation with youth talent. I think a pyramid scheme is a must here. Tiered as MLS/USL/NASL/PDL/NISL/Amateur by regions.

USSF has around 150 million USD in excess and in the bank. It is time they fucking use it.

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