complete dodge on the simple question again. just focusing on my REPLY to a ridiculous statement. you just can't admit it was completely unjustified and wrong - or say that you think the same, that people who don't generalise all muslims support terrorists, can you?


1 - those are direct quotes from you:

"most of them have no business here, whoever they are or what they believe"

"most people from islam countries being incompatible with our culture is a fact
there are more reasons why these people lack basic human dignity, but i refuse to say that it has nothing to do with islam"

"i believe poltical islam to be a huge problem along with a great majority of people hailing from muslim countries"

so what do you suggest? not take in any more muslim immigrants at all? sort them by age / gender / devoutness to islam? who has "business" here in your eyes? who would you allow to stay / come?

2 - what's your point? you correctly pointed out that our constitution and laws don't allow those things and that's a good thing. the people who act against it should be punished accordingly and if the law allows it, i'd have no problem with them being deported. but you can't punish before the crime...

3 - you can repeat it as often as you like, that doesn't make it true. calling a putin "honest" is preposterous. rigging elections, bribing, imprisoning and murdering political opposition, censoring the media, invading a sovereign state under false flags is what you consider "honest"? the villain part i agree on, however...

4 - we both don't know what happened and i am sure that these guys would have LIKED to fire him because they want to look politically correct for the public - which is disgusting in itself. but although i agree that he mentioned problems we HAVE to discuss, i also found it in bad taste how he did it, directly refering to the paris attacks with that smiley face, it looks somewhat mischievous, if you like it or not. and the article does NOT prove what you wanted it to, that's all i ever said. if you had made the effort to read it, you would have noticed...

You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. You are the joke here.

2. Islam is the religion which gives women the MOST rights compared to other religions. You just keep listening to the corrupt media..it will give you your own opinion for sure.........
i know you will bring up the fact that the women cover themselves and twist it to say it is some how forced.. HELLO according to the bible mary covered herself like muslim women do now. Jesus had a long beard and wore clothes you see muslims wear.

Btw if you think you reading these quotes about the Quran online is educating you.. It really isn't the Quran is to be used alongside Hadiths (you prob dont know what they are.. Thought you were educated with regards to this?) Anyway in the Quran is specifically states that there were select people given knowledge and these are those who can interpretate all the meanings.. Nowadays people who have only seen 'war' or for a personal gain use quotes from the Quran out of context and target those who are uneducated and obviously they believe..

Also it also states in the Quran if you kill yourself then you straight to hell.. Surely they would know this if they were actually 'muslims' right?

Tl:dr you know nothing john snow

This post was edited by SlashMePlz on Nov 19 2015 12:31pm

This post was edited by kroko89 on Nov 19 2015 12:33pm

thats one major thing about you, you take everything personally (and literally), i never said that you support terrorists, i only referred to your comment in grahambos direction

1. yes, i do suggest we should not take in muslim immigrants anymore, or to be more precise only those with proven education and valid papers (that would mean barely anyone xd)
thats standard procedure in many countries nobody would ever call racist
my "they have no business here" refers to my opinion that muslim refugees from syria and iraq should stay in turkey with their fellow muslims and that they should not be traveling through europe like tourists (while violating our laws)
no true refugee fearing for his life would take a shit boat to greece with the risk to drown, i never thought german money to be that attractive
the real refugees are those poor souls left behind in camps to the south of syria and turkey and the conditions there are a joke (while we waste money for a monthly allowance that could buy food for a hundred guys in jordan)
a decent solution is to shut down this stream and help the neighbors of syria sheltering them and of course finally shut down isis+their fellow friends
the distinction between migrants and refugees has become almost impossible in case you are wondering

2. we cant punish before the crime, but our law enables us to keep muslims (and others ofc), who are bringing problems here, out in the first place
that would require merkel to respect our own law again and not spitting on it, illegally passing the border without papers from secure countries is the key word here
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3. yep he is doing all these things, but thats not my point
honest refers to the fact that he does not deny it, everyone knows what he does (zero fucks given by putin)
at the same time people like merkel talk about human rights while violating the law she is sworn to protect
i hope i made myself clear

4. lets just agree that there are pretty hard clues that he got fired for not being in line, which is a joke for a so called free press



women have rights in muslim societies? holy shit, i dont know what reality you live in, but all i see is a world where women are placed slightly behind camels
(very very very few exceptions there) from africa, to the middle east, to islam in asia, women are prevented from getting education, get married by force as children, have to stay at home as slave of her husband, do the dirty work while being clad in a disgusting cloth that no normal human being would ever wear by choice
but maybe i am looking at it the wrong way, they have the right to be treated like crap in all ways possible

the quran is not a coherent book and therefore a shitty source

€: the guys name is jon snow btw

This post was edited by ampoo on Nov 19 2015 01:16pm

wat

give it a rest or i'll pm a mod to close, 1st and final warning

There's a forum for this http://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=119

Nice discussion here

I live in a reality where I see it every single day..do you see the opposite every single day? I think not. Women are prevented from an education? Education is compulsary upon every muslim according to Islam. One of the first universities, if you like, was founded by a muslim woman. Woman have a set of rights over their husband and vise versa. One of those rights is that the woman be properly clothed so you say another thing which has no credit. You are talking about the culture and traditions of a nation(?) And applying it to muslims that are a religion.. Hello?

Okok mistaked the H



Ok mate

awwww... how cute, you think you are the internet police, huh?





yet you completely failed to see what it was a response to. ignore the completely uncalled for and ridiculous statement that little hater made but blame me for making a "personal" reply to such a comment. a reply btw that is completely justified: someone who thinks, based on my posts, that i support terrorism clearly did NOT understand anything.

also, you complain about me taking everything personal when you yourself b*tch about me pointing out bigoted, hateful and outright retarded statements... so either don't do it yourself or stop complaining about it...



"only those with proven education and valid papers"

many ppl from those countries never had "valid papers" and it's near impossible to obtain them there - it's very naive to assume it's everywhere as easy as it is here in germany. and how do you expect them to "prove" their education? what's the minimal required education in your mind to be allowed into germany? and does that apply to kids too?

"thats standard procedure in many countries nobody would ever call racist"

for immigration - not for civil war refugees.

"no true refugee fearing for his life would take a shit boat to greece with the risk to drown"

oh sure, that's all just the media making those stories up then.

"the real refugees are those poor souls left behind in camps to the south of syria and turkey and the conditions there are a joke"

that's like saying the "real" fans of the rolling stones are just those who camped for days in front of the concert hall to have a first row seat. again, it's not just black and white...



"we cant punish before the crime, but our law enables us to keep muslims (and others ofc), who are bringing problems here, out in the first place"

oh is that so? show me where our law specifies that people with a certain religion can be discriminated against because other people who happen to believe the same sh*t committed crimes...

"illegally passing the border without papers from secure countries"

i'm against that just like you and i even agree that our government is letting us down here because we could do more to have at least some basic ways of establishing if someone really is from a certain region / country (like employing other ppl who at least speak their language and understand what they are saying to each other) - but to basically just say "it's not happening so just f*ck them all, they are just muslims who only cause trouble anyway" is ridiculous...

"honest refers to the fact that he does not deny it, everyone knows what he does (zero fucks given by putin)"

that's just plain wrong. he DID deny involvement in the ukraine invasion on multiple occasions, he DID deny involvement in the killing of opposition (boris nemtsov for example). he also started huge anti corruption campaigns despite the huge network of corruption he set up amongst his military, political, industrial and organised crime connections. the reason why you might perceive him as "honest" about it is that he doesn't get the heat a german / british / french politician would get from the media - BECAUSE of the way he treats critical journalists, especially russian ones.

"people like merkel talk about human rights while violating the law she is sworn to protect"

which laws does she violate specifically?



"lets just agree that there are pretty hard clues that he got fired for not being in line, which is a joke for a so called free press"

let's agree there is a true core to his message but the way of delivering it was distasteful. but IF he got fired for the message itself it would be a joke, yes.



"the quran is not a coherent book and therefore a shitty source"

true. but neither is the bible. both are highly contradictory in themselves and both have followers who focus on the good parts and those who focus on the bad parts...

Hahahahha habeeb you kill me