for the scapegoats talks from the german media. they didn't make no prisoners with a "typical german". basically the same guys l'equipe had as the 3 worst players in the entire tournament

remains to be seen what Löw does now. some squad decisions gonna be interesting moving forward.

i think its both since he just refuses to actually address the subject of the whole discussion

gündogan has been flying under the radar for a while now, actually i found his posing with erdogan even worse
i wonder what he will do



doesnt matter really as long as löw is coach, he is the embodiment of incompetence
btw, by these standards you might as well kick kroos out of the team as well for his pathetic effort


meanwhile on twitter

turkeys minister of justice Abdulhamit Gül: "i congratulate mesut özil on scoring his finest goal against the fascist virus by leaving the german national team"
and sports minister Mehmet Kasapoglu: "we support the honorable attitude of our brother özil with all our hearts"

thats the company you chose özil and thats why people turned on you, you fucking moron
hopefully this is the last we will hear of the erdogan frog

This post was edited by ampoo on Jul 22 2018 05:16pm

Pretty much sums up Germans' attitude towards Ozil on here.

I'm completely biased when it comes to this, since I love özil to bits and he's probably my most favourite player of the bunch we have atm.

But, I feel like he has a strong case here. The media slags him off whenever they have the chance, and this was the perfect oppertunity. The german national team isn't losing as a whole but instead they are focussing on a few victims.
I've said it before aswell, in the match vs Sweden (or Korea i can't recall) özil had created the most chances without any other players being able to convert them.

They lost as a team, and should stay a team and defend eachother.

As for the Erdogan debate, I've said it before I can't judge on it since I don't keep up to date with everything going on in Turkey. But it wasn't a smart move by him, but I believe he shouldn't get this much hate for it.
He has not hidden that he's passionate about Turkey, he also doesn't hide that he loves Germany and that he grew up there so I don't see the problem.
In the Belgian national team there are alot of players with double nationalities who also love their other country, nothing wrong with that.

I've read his full post and I agree on pretty much everything, and it's good to see other Arsenal players (Bellering for example) backing him up and defending him, because that's what teammates do. I would love for some german teammates to do the same.


Again, I'm fully biased here. I think Özil should deserve more respect and credit for what he has done.

weird, somehow others who also have migrant background dont have that "problem"

can refused fucking erdogan and its too bad he wasnt fit for the wc
good lad



i dont blame you at all for thinking this way, however its exact reason özil had "his" statement published in english

he wanted as many people, who cant judge the situation, on the "i am the victim" train
his fanboys on reddit are completely mental

there is only one bit of truth in his post and thats about the dfb officials being spineless cunts

again, i dont blame you, but the rest is so wrong, it literally hurts

nobody has ever made him the scapegoat, he is getting the criticism he deserves and on the pitch he is nowhere near as good as he thinks

talking about respect, how about him respecting his country and its people first
he supports a dictator who insult his country and has jailed countless of his german countrymen

özil has exposed himself to be only german on paper and now he is paying the price

learn to read. özil (and gündogan) lost the love and respect they both undoubtedly had BEFORE we underperformed at the world cup.
this has nothing to do with winning or losing, those are just the excuses of someone refusing to accept responsibility for their own mistakes.

guess i shouldn't be surprised that simple people fall for such lazy narratives though...




i see where you're coming from, but you're missing some major points:

first of all, i fully agree with you that özil can be an amazing football player, but that also explains why he is, and always has been, under additional scrutiny (not only by the german, but also by the english press and pundits): because they KNOW his potential and thus expect more from him. you can argue that's not fair, but to claim this has anything to do with his background is (at least in regards to our press and experts) complete BS. sure, there are some bigoted 'fans' who always hated on him for being 'a turk' (both in germany, but also by the very people pointing fingers now, when they were triggered that germany won), but those people are a tiny minority.

i also think it's somewhat strange that you make a clear evaluation ('he shouldn't get this much hate for it') immediately after admitting that you 'can't judge' the debate as it relates to erdogan. well, let me put it like this: in MY opinion (and the vast majority of german football fans) there is nothing wrong with staying connected with your roots and having love not only for the country you grew up in, but also for the one your ancestors came from - and that might not be an easy balance to find, trying to not 'offend' either side. however, you can be passionate about your heritage without posing for photo-ops with the man that is turning the country one of your 'two hearts' beats for into a theocratic dictatorship. and if you lack the common sense to realise that, at least have the balls to admit it was a mistake instead of simply blaming it on 'racism'.
seriously, even if you're completely oblivious to what's going on in turkey, the 'official' reaction from there (ampoo quoted some of it) speaks for itself...

This post was edited by fender on Jul 23 2018 05:19am

Ozil is an easy target because of his playing style, which attracts a lot of critisim from pashun and blood & thunder knuckle draggers.

If he was an all action running, tackling and shouting midfielder he'd be getting nowhere near as much abuse.

that's what i've been saying for ages actually, especially when the whole arsenal drama was going on and people were blaming özil while acting like alexis sanchez was saving the team. but i guess those pundits were all just racists...

of course not, as an english guy you know that passion and hard work are appreciated

If the whole Erdogan thing didn’t happen, Ozil would have still been unfairly labelled as the scapegoat and singled out for criticism.

Reminds me of Sterling and the English media, as well as some fans.