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Sep 18 2015 07:52am
if the epl loses a 4th slot I wont watch a single cl game until they get it back
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Sep 18 2015 07:53am
Quote (zarkadon @ Sep 18 2015 01:42pm)
The problem is english clubs spend the money on overrated mediocrity, or just big names and statistics rather than on what the team needs. More money won't change that. You need to change the way the clubs are structured and their policies.

A few days ago Monchi (Sevilla's director of football, and widely considered as the best in Spain) gave a very long interview where he talked about a lot of interesting stuff (I'd post a link but it's in spanish).

One of the things he talked about was about english clubs. He spent a year in England learning the language, but he also took the time to learn about how english clubs were organized and how they worked in terms of scouting, making transfers, etc.

He said that english clubs had the best scouting system, with lots of money invested in the best technology to provide scouts with every single statistic possible. The problem is, according to him, that the reports scouts make are completely ignored by the people who make decisions in the club. They just make their report and send them to their boss, who then filters the reports and sends a couple of them to the group of people who decide on transfers. Then those people normally ignore the reports because it comes down to "should we sign this random latvian playing in switzerland that our scouts recommend, or this french guy that plays in Ligue 1 whos agent says is available... well Ligue 1 is better the swiss league, the french are better than the latvians, and that I talk to the french player's agent all the time so I know I can trust him".

There is no proper communication between scouts and the people who make decisions. People that run english clubs often barely know their scouts personally. In Sevilla the director of football constantly has meetings with the club's scouts; he travels to where they are and many spends hours watching the players that have received positive reports. The scouts even attend the meeting where the club's board decides on transfers, so they have a say when the decisions are made, and they also know what other scouts are after so they can even look for players that synergize with potential transfer targets.

He says that in 15 years as director of football, he has only signed one player he didn't know anything about (Dragutinovic, because they needed a replacement for Ramos in deadline day, and Madrid's director of football recommended the player during the Ramos deal talks). Meanwhile in England, this happens all the time. People that make decisions sign players they know nothing about and don't know if they are going to adapt to the manager/system/team/club/country.

You end up having a team full of flashy players, but they get destroyed by the weaker-yet-much-more-efficiently-built squads you find in other leagues.

English clubs don't need to spend more, but rather to change the way they are structured in order to improve communication and synergy between scouts and between scouts and the people who decide on transfers.


Very interesting indeed. If you fancy posting a link to the article I'll probably have a go at reading the translate :D
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Sep 18 2015 07:54am
Quote (aswethegods @ 18 Sep 2015 15:52)
if the epl loses a 4th slot I wont watch a single cl game until they get it back


england having 4 spots is not a law of nature, you know
how about performances ^_^
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Sep 18 2015 07:57am
Quote (ampoo @ Sep 18 2015 01:54pm)
england having 4 spots is not a law of nature, you know
how about performances ^_^


hf getting a challenge playing against a team like torino in the cl instead of a team like arsenal or chelsea

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Sep 18 2015 07:58am
Quote (aswethegods @ 18 Sep 2015 15:57)
hf getting a challenge playing against a team like torino in the cl instead of a team like arsenal or chelsea


if thats the case then torino IS a bigger challenge and deserves to be there
deal with it
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Sep 18 2015 08:05am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ 18 Sep 2015 15:53)
Very interesting indeed. If you fancy posting a link to the article I'll probably have a go at reading the translate :D


http://www.jotdown.es/2015/09/monchi-bilardo-es-la-persona-que-mas-me-ha-influido-en-el-futbol-y-en-la-vida/

It's a very, very long interview... mostly about Monchi's life as a goalkeeper and director of football at Sevilla. I'm not sure if translating will help because the information is very scattered and scrambled (there's a lot of digression).

It's a great interview though, because he talks about a lot of football related stuff (how Sevilla has evolved, how football clubs work in Spain and abroad, how the many different managers he had as a player and a director of football behave and what he learned form them, how many different players he played with and against were, why his best signings worked and why the worst ones flopped, etc).
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Sep 18 2015 08:11am
Quote (aswethegods @ Sep 18 2015 09:57am)
hf getting a challenge playing against a team like torino in the cl instead of a team like arsenal or chelsea



Torino? LOL
More like inter, ac or Napoli.
I think if Germany loses spot to italy all would be great.
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Sep 18 2015 08:19am
Quote (chelsea11 @ 18 Sep 2015 15:11)
Torino? LOL
More like inter, ac or Napoli.
I think if Germany loses spot to italy all would be great.

:baby:

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Sep 18 2015 08:39am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Sep 18 2015 12:43pm)
Or, they will all pump more money into them to get them back to being the better teams? :wacko:


you already spend tons of money? :wacko:
you wont win titles with a pack of mercenaries

most of football fans follow succesful teams.. and the time will come that they realize that english teams suck.. they are going to support other teams and watch their games.
look @ dortmund.. some years ago they were not considered.. now they got many fans out of germany.. the other thing can happen to manu.

beside that you should be clear about business life.. why would a someone spend money into a bad company for a long duration? its like throwing millions of dollars into fire.


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Sep 18 2015 08:59am
Quote (aswethegods @ 18 Sep 2015 14:57)
hf getting a challenge playing against a team like torino in the cl instead of a team like arsenal or chelsea


you seem to think that a bigger name is automatically a bigger challenge - and that's just not true.

or to put it in words most pl fans will understand: if those "random farmers" constantly beat you, they are just better...
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