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Apr 30 2015 11:09am
Quote (chelsea11 @ 30 Apr 2015 18:55)
Lol, bayern is peps toy.
Thank god mou came back to Chelsea, since there is no better manager and he is literally the best of the best.


And from what I've been reading from Bayern fans (here and elsewhere aswell), they aren't very happy about it.

Quote (Mr_Mill @ 30 Apr 2015 19:02)
That's why I'm pretty sure he will get sacked after 2-3 more seasons. Abramovich will once again call his playstyle not attractive enough like he did in the previous term


Didn't it go wrong the previous time because Abramovic signed Sheva against Mourinho's will and tension between them grew from then on until he was eventually sacked?

I don't think Abramovic would make a mistake like that again. Especially now that he doesn't have that eagerness of winning his first CL.
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Apr 30 2015 11:32am
Quote (zarkadon @ 30 Apr 2015 17:18)
Mourinho is a geat manager. He has proven it coutless times, winning silverware pretty much everywhere he has managed, including those spectacular season he had with Porto and Inter.

He's a great tactitian, he knows how to motivate his players, and he does an excellent job at drawing attention to him in order to make sure that the press is busy criticising him instead of his players.

He does, however, have his flaws. Fender says he'd sign him blindly for any club... talking from experience here, I wouldn't. Mourinho wants to control everything in the club he manages and he also wants to be able to change whatever he feels needs to be changed in order to benefit the team. This isn't an issue when you are managing a club like Chelsea, which doesn't have a glorious history that has shaped the the club into an istitution with a culture of its own, but it does become an issue when he's managing a club like Madrid.

That's imho his biggest flaw. He wants the clubs he manages to adapt to him and not the other way around. A club like Chelsea will let him do whatever he wants because they've spent the vast majority of their history in mediocrity, and it's a blessing for them to be managed by someone that brings them silverware. An immense club like Madrid, Bayern, etc isn't just going to let a manager change their traditions or look down upon club legends... that's when problems arrise (as seen during his Madrid spell). I think this is one of the reasons SAF didn't choose him as his successor at Man Utd even though he had the chance.


well you make a fair point for madrid where egos might be bigger than anywhere else. but that does not apply to bayern for example - klinsmann, van gaal and guardiola all brought their own "radical" styles to the club - and bayern was well aware of that before they signed them.

also, it's not necessarily a bad thing to centralise competences like that as it increases chances to make intelligent signings that align perfectly with the manager's philosophy.

concerning my point about mou being the perfect fit to sign blindly for any club, however, you are absolutely right - that definitely went too far and i was wrong there...

This post was edited by fender on Apr 30 2015 11:34am
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Apr 30 2015 11:37am

As you all talk about mou, there you go.
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Apr 30 2015 11:55am
Quote (zarkadon @ Apr 30 2015 06:09pm)
And from what I've been reading from Bayern fans (here and elsewhere aswell), they aren't very happy about it.



Didn't it go wrong the previous time because Abramovic signed Sheva against Mourinho's will and tension between them grew from then on until he was eventually sacked?

I don't think Abramovic would make a mistake like that again. Especially now that he doesn't have that eagerness of winning his first CL.


Pretty sure Abramovic used the reason of his footballing style not suiting Chelsea and that he wanted to find someone who could produce his wanted style of play.
The Sheva deal will obviously have made an impact to his choice tho.
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Apr 30 2015 11:56am
What you spect with Mourinho as coach??
He make tge teams hatefull and hostiles with a very poor football.

This + chelsea11 make be begin to hate that team i always respected.

Lame champion.

This post was edited by Finances on Apr 30 2015 11:57am
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Apr 30 2015 12:00pm
Quote (fender @ 30 Apr 2015 19:32)
well you make a fair point for madrid where egos might be bigger than anywhere else. but that does not apply to bayern for example - klinsmann, van gaal and guardiola all brought their own "radical" styles to the club - and bayern was well aware of that before they signed them.

also, it's not necessarily a bad thing to centralise competences like that as it increases chances to make intelligent signings that align perfectly with the manager's philosophy.

concerning my point about mou being the perfect fit to sign blindly for any club, however, you are absolutely right - that definitely went too far and i was wrong there...


It's not just a matter of egos. He criticized several of the club's retired legends. He also criticized a lot of people working at the club, even if they were working in other departments that were not his business.

And of course he criticized the fans for not standing by him whenever he criticised someone or acted like a cunt. (I don't mind most of his antics tbh, but he shouldn't expect everyone to blindly support most of the stuff he did)

I agree that centralising competences isn't bad at all. Florentino eventually decided to force Valdano out so that Mourinho could take over his role aswell at the club... but Mourinho still kept telling everyone at the club what they should and shouldn't do. The club's culture and traditions didn't matter to him. I don't think he did it out of hunger for power and egomania like many have said... he just felt like that's what needed to be done in order for him to do his job. But Real Madrid wins silverware regularly, so they weren't willing to let him get away with everything in exchange for success.

You talk about Van Gaal and Klinsmann... Klinsmann's spell was too short to matter, and Van Gaal's ended with chaos and drama. Pep's relationship with the fans seems to be wearing down, and unless he wins the CL this season he probably won't be in an easy situation at the club. Just look at how Pep criticized the doctor at Bayern, angering most of the fans. Bayern does care about these things, it's not just Madrid.
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Apr 30 2015 12:03pm
Quote (Mr_Mill @ 30 Apr 2015 19:55)
Pretty sure Abramovic used the reason of his footballing style not suiting Chelsea and that he wanted to find someone who could produce his wanted style of play.
The Sheva deal will obviously have made an impact to his choice tho.


I think that at that point he wanted big names like Sheva and Ballack to shine at the club so that it would attact more fans and attention, so he wanted a manager that would be more suited for that transformation of the club.

I think he's past that phase though.
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Apr 30 2015 12:06pm
Quote (zarkadon @ Apr 30 2015 07:03pm)
I think that at that point he wanted big names like Sheva and Ballack to shine at the club so that it would attact more fans and attention, so he wanted a manager that would be more suited for that transformation of the club.

I think he's past that phase though.


Not sure, I have a gut feeling that he simply wants to win some trophies and not care about the style of play. He's someone that changes his mind alot so we never know
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Apr 30 2015 12:36pm
Quote (Finances @ Apr 30 2015 01:56pm)
What you spect with Mourinho as coach??
He make tge teams hatefull and hostiles with a very poor football.

This + chelsea11 make be begin to hate that team i always respected.

Lame champion.



Lol ur just mad cause real madrid is shit.
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May 1 2015 05:43am
looks to me like Abramovic is trying to build a legacy at chelsea

Trophies = Legacy

Mourinho is the best in the business at winning trophies and clearly wants to leave a legacy for himself at chelsea too
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