ramos is crap as a defender
he is a butcher, thats all



who?



fact is that there are no defenders as good as maldini, nesta or cannavaro anymore
hummels is good and all, but not among the worlds best

john terry was the last

Cahill goes in top 10 with players like Chiellini and David Luiz (inb4: hate on David Luiz)



That's cool, I respect that.

I'm evaluating the entire package and goal scoring abilities is in fact a part of that process. That one goal alone vs Atletico was the difference between 10 and 9 champions league titles. From a purely defensive standpoint, I'd have to say Silva or Benatia.

This post was edited by MGS4BestGameEverMade on Aug 27 2014 11:49am

I can think of precisely two reason as to why you think Ramos is crap ^^


but if Hummels is not among the best (and clearly not Ramos) just who is? (IYO)

terry is great and consistent over a long time, but nowhere near these guys that i named



^^
thats why i wrote "crap as a defender"
his goals were pretty nice, nothing to hate at that point
worldclass defenders became a very rare thing these days, almost not existent

This post was edited by ampoo on Aug 27 2014 12:13pm

I hope this isn't true...
There are rumours that Xabi Alonso may join us.. No.. Seriously no..

Thought Khedira was going there? Dunno why he wants to ride the bench this season

jesus christ, you must be joking

4 spanish fags are enough

read those rumours aswell, could just be faked rumours bumped up by twitterpages I guess.