juve is good constantly? the statistics disagree.
atletico is on a very good way.. yes.

juve had a great year 2015.. i dont disagree.. dortmund also had a great year 2013.. but the trick is to continue the succes.. every team can have a good year.. look at portugal.. they won the euro.. but they wont be a favourite in 2016.

barcelona and real madrid.

i am with you expect one thing: the 2nd half in the first game wasn't that one sided at all (imo).

yes true, but every team can get out early if you have a hard drawing, or can make a deep run if you have an easy one.

The problem Juve had was drawing a group of: Man City, Sevilla, and B Mönchengladbach.

For me is "good" to reach the quarters constantly. I think Juventus is on a good way for that.

true.. and bayern real and barca are the hardest.. thats the general opinion.. even the italian media.. the odds of betting offices etc.. saying it.

sure.. but the point of chelseakid was that juve is on a same level with barca bayern and real.. and a top team should get the first place.. even in this group.

yes juve is.. but they are far away from bayern real and barca.

This post was edited by Dachschaden on Jul 25 2016 03:00am

i agree with you. real barca and bayern are the top 3 of europe at the moment. On the other hand i can understand chelsea11, juves new team looks very competitive.

This post was edited by schnoig2 on Jul 25 2016 03:29am

it takes time to form a good team.. but there are many other teams with more capabilities.. psg.. mancity.. arsenal etc.

This year really Juve would knock out anyone, althoguh a lot of these games vs the big teams can be 50/50.

Also I like how the German is saying "Juve is far away from real/Bayern/barca", which really they are on the same level as them looking at last year and this year...

I just can't wait for 2017 when Chelsea will be back into the mix. Really we have a team with so much potential, can't wait to see how we do this year. Also getting top 4/wining the prem would make so many good players want to come to Chelsea, although we may not even need them. If we don't get top 4 this year (which imo should not happen at all) the I think a lot of our players like hazard, courtois,Costa etc will leave.

Hoping that 2017 season is where United/Chelsea are back to being top 3 in Europe.

LOL

I dont remember when Juve won the last time against us

they know it and they're scared that's why they keep underrate them

This post was edited by schnoig2 on Jul 25 2016 05:01am

yep, than Allegri subbed out Khedira, and left Pogba on the pitch and the rest was history. from 2-0 to 2-4

Stutaro / Pogba partnership were straight up destroyed. defensive stability was gone