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Oct 1 2015 09:45am
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Here is the way I look at it. EPL is such a physically demanding/highly competitive league. Every weekend, each BPL team has to show up, or they will potentially lose an essential 3 points. If you dont show up to play and really put your best squad out there, you could lose. Meanwhile in Spain, their juggernauts can coast through most games. It isnt very physically demanding on their players, so they're much more rested in midweek. The Bundesliga is the second most competitive league, which you see bundesliga teams falling off some as well, except Bayern, they're currently on another level.


I don't think this is a good excuse. When La Liga and Serie A had by far the best league (in terms of quality, physically demanding and overall balance in strength between teams), they still dominated european competitions.
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I don't think this is a good excuse. When La Liga and Serie A had by far the best league (in terms of quality, physically demanding and overall balance in strength between teams), they still dominated european competitions.


I am not really using it as an excuse. Just saying that this is what I think the problem is for the English teams being so unsuccessful in the champions league, currently. And I am going to play devil's advocate here, but wouldn't you say that football nowadays is much more damanding, than football years ago?
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I am not really using it as an excuse. Just saying that this is what I think the problem is for the English teams being so unsuccessful in the champions league, currently. And I am going to play devil's advocate here, but wouldn't you say that football nowadays is much more damanding, than football years ago?



That is obvious.

And in the prem it is even more physically demanding than italy or Spain.
The tempo is soooooooo much slower. Especially in Spain -.- I literally can't sit through it.

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That is obvious.

And in the prem it is even more physically demanding than italy or Spain.
The tempo is soooooooo much slower. Especially in Spain -.- I literally can't sit through it.


Yea, having 8 central defenders imposes a very high tempo.
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I would just like to point out that since Leicester has been in the prem English teams have been doing crap in Europe. Coincidence? I think not. B)
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The situation is quite simple imo. Before all these mega money takeovers there were actual teams. Everybig club had their identity. U knew, that Fergie's Utd were capable of destroying their opponents, but we also notorius being able to scrape out a result when the game wasn't going their way. U had Henry, Vieira & co, then u had defensive minded Chelsea who didn't give a fuck about anything other than result, Stevie G's Liverpool etc. There were big transfers, but the teams were usually being built the traditional way. Only by signing a player nedded, who would improve the squad. Now it's all different. Teams just get thrown together and players are being signed just cuz of names, while the results are expected instantly and there's no time for a team to grow and mature together.
So there we have it. The amount of quality players is still the highest in EPL imo, but sadly that doesn't translate into results on the pitch simply cuz of impatience from these billionares. They want it here and now, which almost never happens in football
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The situation is quite simple imo. Before all these mega money takeovers there were actual teams. Everybig club had their identity. U knew, that Fergie's Utd were capable of destroying their opponents, but we also notorius being able to scrape out a result when the game wasn't going their way. U had Henry, Vieira & co, then u had defensive minded Chelsea who didn't give a fuck about anything other than result, Stevie G's Liverpool etc. There were big transfers, but the teams were usually being built the traditional way. Only by signing a player nedded, who would improve the squad. Now it's all different. Teams just get thrown together and players are being signed just cuz of names, while the results are expected instantly and there's no time for a team to grow and mature together.
So there we have it. The amount of quality players is still the highest in EPL imo, but sadly that doesn't translate into results on the pitch simply cuz of impatience from these billionares. They want it here and now, which almost never happens in football


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The situation is quite simple imo. Before all these mega money takeovers there were actual teams. Everybig club had their identity. U knew, that Fergie's Utd were capable of destroying their opponents, but we also notorius being able to scrape out a result when the game wasn't going their way. U had Henry, Vieira & co, then u had defensive minded Chelsea who didn't give a fuck about anything other than result, Stevie G's Liverpool etc. There were big transfers, but the teams were usually being built the traditional way. Only by signing a player nedded, who would improve the squad. Now it's all different. Teams just get thrown together and players are being signed just cuz of names, while the results are expected instantly and there's no time for a team to grow and mature together.
So there we have it. The amount of quality players is still the highest in EPL imo, but sadly that doesn't translate into results on the pitch simply cuz of impatience from these billionares. They want it here and now, which almost never happens in football



Kind of true except for chelsea.
The players have had a full successful season to bond and grow XD
Idk what's happened to them tho :p
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I am not really using it as an excuse. Just saying that this is what I think the problem is for the English teams being so unsuccessful in the champions league, currently. And I am going to play devil's advocate here, but wouldn't you say that football nowadays is much more damanding, than football years ago?


Well we're talking about 7-10 years ago, not decades... however, yes, the games are more demanding. On the other hand there are less games though, since they removed the 2nd CL group stage and there are less EL rounds.

Physical preparation has greatly improved aswell. Players like Cristano, Messi, Hazard, etc play almost every single game, even when it's against farmers, because they can cope with it. Teams rotate less overall (which is a mistake, beause not all players can).

So, overall I wouldn't really support the physically demanding reasoning. I lean more towards this:

Quote (vygax @ 1 Oct 2015 18:21)
The situation is quite simple imo. Before all these mega money takeovers there were actual teams. Everybig club had their identity. U knew, that Fergie's Utd were capable of destroying their opponents, but we also notorius being able to scrape out a result when the game wasn't going their way. U had Henry, Vieira & co, then u had defensive minded Chelsea who didn't give a fuck about anything other than result, Stevie G's Liverpool etc. There were big transfers, but the teams were usually being built the traditional way. Only by signing a player nedded, who would improve the squad. Now it's all different. Teams just get thrown together and players are being signed just cuz of names, while the results are expected instantly and there's no time for a team to grow and mature together.
So there we have it. The amount of quality players is still the highest in EPL imo, but sadly that doesn't translate into results on the pitch simply cuz of impatience from these billionares. They want it here and now, which almost never happens in football


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Quote (vygax @ 1 Oct 2015 18:21)
The situation is quite simple imo. Before all these mega money takeovers there were actual teams. Everybig club had their identity.


:love:

english teams always had like 1.5 times more games a season, i guess there are just less easy games per season today than 10 years ago...

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