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Sep 18 2015 06:25am
Chelsea will carry england like always B)
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Sep 18 2015 06:36am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ 18 Sep 2015 12:30)
Money > rest

Lol

I'm inclined to agree with that frenchie manager who said it's only a matter of time before premier league money starts to actually talk.

Although honestly I don't understand how we can be so bad in europe. Man city in the prem didn't look anything like the team that played Juventus. Didn't watch any of the other games so can't really judge.

I'll be bothered about Europe if and when Leicester make it there. Til then it's the same as nationals, I expect no better than we get. :lol:


i have heard that before and it didnt happen ^_^
your money might start talking once english teams start to use it wisely and make up for their deficit in other aspects
but doesnt really look like it so far....

should your boys make it someday (and i hope they will B) ) you will get it
nothing better than to hear the cl hymn and the very best play eachother

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Sep 18 2015 06:37am
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We could have 1 cl spot and still make the most money and have the most viewers.

Finished in europe? For now, sure.

Finished as a league? Naaaaaaaaw.


you know.. if teams loose their international reputation.. it does not make sense to invest more money into these teams.

they continue their stagnation --> less money --> less viewers
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Sep 18 2015 06:43am
Quote (Dachschaden @ Sep 18 2015 12:37pm)
you know.. if teams loose their international reputation.. it does not make sense to invest more money into these teams.

they continue their stagnation --> less money --> less viewers


Or, they will all pump more money into them to get them back to being the better teams? :wacko:
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Sep 18 2015 06:57am
England is making chelsea look worst! Since all of their pts are decided by 8 instead of 7 or 6.
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Sep 18 2015 06:59am
Quote (chelsea11 @ Sep 18 2015 12:57pm)
England is making chelsea look worst! Since all of their pts are decided by 8 instead of 7 or 6.


17 Chelsea 5 -5 4

Doing a good enough job of that on their own.

Beating European peasants doesn't change a thing.
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Sep 18 2015 07:16am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Sep 18 2015 08:59am)
17 Chelsea 5 -5 4

Doing a good enough job of that on their own.

Beating European peasants doesn't change a thing.



Nah england is brining them down in eu. They will regain prem form soon.
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Sep 18 2015 07:42am
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Or, they will all pump more money into them to get them back to being the better teams? :wacko:


The problem is english clubs spend the money on overrated mediocrity, or just big names and statistics rather than on what the team needs. More money won't change that. You need to change the way the clubs are structured and their policies.

A few days ago Monchi (Sevilla's director of football, and widely considered as the best in Spain) gave a very long interview where he talked about a lot of interesting stuff (I'd post a link but it's in spanish).

One of the things he talked about was about english clubs. He spent a year in England learning the language, but he also took the time to learn about how english clubs were organized and how they worked in terms of scouting, making transfers, etc.

He said that english clubs had the best scouting system, with lots of money invested in the best technology to provide scouts with every single statistic possible. The problem is, according to him, that the reports scouts make are completely ignored by the people who make decisions in the club. They just make their report and send them to their boss, who then filters the reports and sends a couple of them to the group of people who decide on transfers. Then those people normally ignore the reports because it comes down to "should we sign this random latvian playing in switzerland that our scouts recommend, or this french guy that plays in Ligue 1 whos agent says is available... well Ligue 1 is better the swiss league, the french are better than the latvians, and that I talk to the french player's agent all the time so I know I can trust him".

There is no proper communication between scouts and the people who make decisions. People that run english clubs often barely know their scouts personally. In Sevilla the director of football constantly has meetings with the club's scouts; he travels to where they are and many spends hours watching the players that have received positive reports. The scouts even attend the meeting where the club's board decides on transfers, so they have a say when the decisions are made, and they also know what other scouts are after so they can even look for players that synergize with potential transfer targets.

He says that in 15 years as director of football, he has only signed one player he didn't know anything about (Dragutinovic, because they needed a replacement for Ramos in deadline day, and Madrid's director of football recommended the player during the Ramos deal talks). Meanwhile in England, this happens all the time. People that make decisions sign players they know nothing about and don't know if they are going to adapt to the manager/system/team/club/country.

You end up having a team full of flashy players, but they get destroyed by the weaker-yet-much-more-efficiently-built squads you find in other leagues.

English clubs don't need to spend more, but rather to change the way they are structured in order to improve communication and synergy between scouts and between scouts and the people who decide on transfers.
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Sep 18 2015 07:47am
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The problem is english clubs spend the money on overrated mediocrity, or just big names and statistics rather than on what the team needs. More money won't change that. You need to change the way the clubs are structured and their policies.

A few days ago Monchi (Sevilla's director of football, and widely considered as the best in Spain) gave a very long interview where he talked about a lot of interesting stuff (I'd post a link but it's in spanish).

One of the things he talked about was about english clubs. He spent a year in England learning the language, but he also took the time to learn about how english clubs were organized and how they worked in terms of scouting, making transfers, etc.

He said that english clubs had the best scouting system, with lots of money invested in the best technology to provide scouts with every single statistic possible. The problem is, according to him, that the reports scouts make are completely ignored by the people who make decisions in the club. They just make their report and send them to their boss, who then filters the reports and sends a couple of them to the group of people who decide on transfers. Then those people normally ignore the reports because it comes down to "should we sign this random latvian playing in switzerland that our scouts recommend, or this french guy that plays in Ligue 1 whos agent says is available... well Ligue 1 is better the swiss league, the french are better than the latvians, and that I talk to the french player's agent all the time so I know I can trust him".

There is no proper communication between scouts and the people who make decisions. People that run english clubs often barely know their scouts personally. In Sevilla the director of football constantly has meetings with the club's scouts; he travels to where they are and many spends hours watching the players that have received positive reports. The scouts even attend the meeting where the club's board decides on transfers, so they have a say when the decisions are made, and they also know what other scouts are after so they can even look for players that synergize with potential transfer targets.

He says that in 15 years as director of football, he has only signed one player he didn't know anything about (Dragutinovic, because they needed a replacement for Ramos in deadline day, and Madrid's director of football recommended the player during the Ramos deal talks). Meanwhile in England, this happens all the time. People that make decisions sign players they know nothing about and don't know if they are going to adapt to the manager/system/team/club/country.

You end up having a team full of flashy players, but they get destroyed by the weaker-yet-much-more-efficiently-built squads you find in other leagues.

English clubs don't need to spend more, but rather to change the way they are structured in order to improve communication and synergy between scouts and between scouts and the people who decide on transfers.


thats a more detailed of what i tried to say

that scouting stuff is very interesting, thats absolutely hilarious
so they have working structures, but choose not to use them xd

so glad that things work differently at bayern, most of our guys are former players, everyone is well acquainted or even friends
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How real is the possibility of England losing a Champions League spot?

At the start of this season, Italy were only 3.095 points behind England, having outperformed them 19 points to 13.57 in 2014/15. Therfore, a repeat of last season - or even less extreme failure on the Premier League clubs' part - would see the Italians usurp England into third.

It is important to note here that Italy have not caught England up solely because Juventus were last season's Champions League runners up or because English teams all failed in Europe's primary competition. The likes of Tottenham, Liverpool and, indeed, Hull opting against taking the Europa League seriously has also had noteworthy consequences. This season, too, Southampton and West Ham will not have added many points, but provide another two teams to divide England's points total by, making holding off Italy even less likely.

Given how Premier League sides have started off their European campaigns, it would not at all surprising to see England lose their fourth place in the Champions League.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11870927/Premier-League-in-real-danger-of-losing-fourth-Champions-League-place.html

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