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Sep 4 2014 05:50am
Quote (fender @ Sep 4 2014 09:35am)
takes a special kind of hater to single out kroos after this game, there were at least 7 players worse than him, 5 of which outright shocking.
safe to say this was not his best performace but still, 2nd most longballs, crosses and key passes - some nice tacklings and interceptions... sometimes i wonder if your just focus on the bad stuff to justify your hate...


no it doesnt
it was a typical kroos performance, no movement, no presence in the midfield battle, some passes alright (most of them safety passes), but if a player doesnt do that you can play with 10 men

kramer was pretty much alone outta there and did practically everything between defense and offense
you are right, there were players worse than kroos
the defense was a joke, but then again you could say that a regular starter should step up for it
of course he didnt

but lets leave it at that, it was only a fucking test match that very few took seriously

btw if kramer continues like this i can see him as a starter in the future, really good performance again :)


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Sep 4 2014 06:05am
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no it doesnt
it was a typical kroos performance, no movement, no presence in the midfield battle, some passes alright (most of them safety passes), but if a player doesnt do that you can play with 10 men

kramer was pretty much alone outta there and did practically everything between defense and offense
you are right, there were players worse than kroos
the defense was a joke, but then again you could say that a regular starter should step up for it
of course he didnt

but lets leave it at that, it was only a fucking test match that very few took seriously

btw if kramer continues like this i can see him as a starter in the future, really good performance again :)


Your hatred towards Özil and Kroos is noticable tho
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Sep 4 2014 06:22am
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Your hatred towards Özil and Kroos is noticable tho


thats because i dislike players with that attitude
also these guys are so overrated that most people dont even notice it anymore when they play like shit on a regular basis
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Sep 4 2014 06:26am
Quote (ampoo @ Sep 4 2014 01:22pm)
thats because i dislike players with that attitude
also these guys are so overrated that most people dont even notice it anymore when they play like shit on a regular basis


I think it's fair for me to say that I am able to tell when Özil is having a bad game or form.
He had a somewhat dissapointing season, but in the end he still got the assists and managed to pick up an FA cup and a WC.
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Sep 4 2014 06:30am
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I think it's fair for me to say that I am able to tell when Özil is having a bad game or form.
He had a somewhat dissapointing season, but in the end he still got the assists and managed to pick up an FA cup and a WC.


his impact in the wc was below zero, we practically won it with 10 men

i am not denying his abilities, it would be mad to do so
but good players have to contribute more than a good pass in several games

and that is what bothers me, i have never ever seen him at least fighting for the team
its not like i blame any player for having a bad form, that can happen to everyone
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Sep 4 2014 06:32am
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his impact in the wc was below zero, we practically won it with 10 men

i am not denying his abilities, it would be mad to do so
but good players have to contribute more than a good pass in several games

and that is what bothers me, i have never ever seen him at least fighting for the team
its not like i blame any player for having a bad form, that can happen to everyone


You should read this;
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/07/14/stats-things-mesut-ozil-did-better-than-anybody-else-at-world-cu/

Displays how easy it is to say özil had a bad world cup while in reality he did well.
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Sep 4 2014 06:46am
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You should read this;
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/07/14/stats-things-mesut-ozil-did-better-than-anybody-else-at-world-cu/

Displays how easy it is to say özil had a bad world cup while in reality he did well.


gotta admit, that looks pretty good
maybe i am being unfair, a little bit too harsh

the only thing statistics cant cover is the quality of the ingame action and that was really low
we have both seen players having great statistics while being the worst on the entire pitch

since i am not the only one thinking like that it cant be totally wrong
but i get your point, you can contribute a lot to a game without it getting noticed
i am sure to watch more closely when i can see him again
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Sep 4 2014 07:05am
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gotta admit, that looks pretty good
maybe i am being unfair, a little bit too harsh

the only thing statistics cant cover is the quality of the ingame action and that was really low
we have both seen players having great statistics while being the worst on the entire pitch

since i am not the only one thinking like that it cant be totally wrong
but i get your point, you can contribute a lot to a game without it getting noticed
i am sure to watch more closely when i can see him again


Everyone can have his opinion ofc, I understand what you mean with having that fighting attitude that players like Sanchez have
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Sep 4 2014 07:50am
Quote (ampoo @ 4 Sep 2014 12:50)
no it doesnt
it was a typical kroos performance, no movement, no presence in the midfield battle, some passes alright (most of them safety passes), but if a player doesnt do that you can play with 10 men

kramer was pretty much alone outta there and did practically everything between defense and offense
you are right, there were players worse than kroos
the defense was a joke, but then again you could say that a regular starter should step up for it
of course he didnt

but lets leave it at that, it was only a fucking test match that very few took seriously

btw if kramer continues like this i can see him as a starter in the future, really good performance again :)


first of all let me say that i agree on kramer. not only his defensive performance but also his passing and dribbling along with his positive and confident attitude impressed me very much.

and on kroos and you: looks like it's just a lost case. the things he does better than anyone else on a regular basis (passing and initiating plays) you just regard as a given which is utterly ridiculous.
and the things he's trying to improve (attitude and defensive work) you just completely ignore. i tell you something, watch the 14th minute of yesterday's match again and tell me what you see - and keep in mind this was in a pointless friendly...
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Sep 4 2014 08:22am
Quote (fender @ Sep 4 2014 01:50pm)
first of all let me say that i agree on kramer. not only his defensive performance but also his passing and dribbling along with his positive and confident attitude impressed me very much.

and on kroos and you: looks like it's just a lost case. the things he does better than anyone else on a regular basis (passing and initiating plays) you just regard as a given which is utterly ridiculous.
and the things he's trying to improve (attitude and defensive work) you just completely ignore. i tell you something, watch the 14th minute of yesterday's match again and tell me what you see - and keep in mind this was in a pointless friendly...


thats one of his brighter moments, sure thing
very good play there
he should try doing this more often instead of taking a break for minutes after it
this is what i am talking about in my last posts, 2-3 good scenes per game are not enough to be one of the best

he had that at bayern as well, 1 good scene and after it he turns on the invisible mode and vanishes for half an hour til the next one
his defensive work got a little better (some time ago it was almost non-existent xdd), i can agree with that

dont get me wrong, i hope so much that he can prove me totally wrong for quite a long time
but it hasnt happened so far....
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