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Nov 19 2020 02:18am
Quote (Mr_Mill @ Nov 19 2020 03:10am)
:lol:

No point in talking with you then.

A+ logic.
really proving my suspicions wrong!
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Nov 19 2020 02:27am
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A+ logic.
really proving my suspicions wrong!


Don't really need to prove anything to a stranger on the internet, just found your statement funny and idiotic. No need for me to continue talking to someone who I don't want to talk to.
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Nov 19 2020 02:39am
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Don't really need to prove anything to a stranger on the internet, just found your statement funny and idiotic. No need for me to continue talking to someone who I don't want to talk to.


No need to beat around the bush with these deflections. You aren't intellectually up for the task.

Just some NPC loser content to mock and laugh at people and things that differ from your worldview, but you can't back it up when you run your mouth.

When asked to explain yourself its best to run away from the situation and make up any and all excuses. A true coward.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 19 2020 02:44am
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No need to beat around the bush with these deflections. You aren't intellectually up for the task.

Just some NPC loser content to mock and laugh at people and things that differ from your worldview, but you can't back it up when you run your mouth.

When asked to explain yourself its best to run away from the situation and make up any and all excuses. A true coward.


Going to have to quite my good friend Pozer here,

SEETHING :lol:
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Nov 19 2020 02:49am
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Going to have to quite my good friend Pozer here,

SEETHING :lol:


Ah yes. I must be really mad. Thats a get out of jail free card. How immature.
To be expected as we have already established the kind of person you are.
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Nov 19 2020 02:54am
Quote (cambovenzi @ 18 Nov 2020 23:28)
*uncritically regurgitating r/Im14AndLibertarianismIsEdgy propaganda*


because its a policy that was supposed to be temporary, not permanent - it still is. it's a policy, not one of the ten commandments. when the problem is fixed, no one will use it anymore.
because they already have tons of welfare programs and don't need another one - just an opinion. one that a majority doesn't share btw, hence the controversy.
because its forced redistribution of wealth and wrong - circular logic. personal opinion.
because it further increases dependence on government - countless times debunked by actual studies. brainless talking point.
because the kids aren't actually starving without this new policy, its an appeal to emotion. - in civilised countries, hunger and malnutrition in kids are also problems worth addressing, not just outright starving

because integrity is more important than avoiding criticism from ignorant and vile leftists. - listening to the people and making sensible decisions isn't "avoiding criticism" or 'lack of integrity', but literally a politicians job. "ignorant and vile" are obvious projections.



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Honestly the amount of money the government is wasting is just astounding, by both being incompetent - up to 10% of CJRS (furlough) grants are thought to be claimed fraudulently which totals to around £4bn so far, and downright corrupt - the whole matter of PPE contracts being awarded to companies connected to richest donors of the Tory party without proper procurement processes in place - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/uk-government-fails-to-publish-details-of-4bn-covid-contracts-with-private-firms
so couple of millions spent on something that makes actual difference to kids whose parents can't afford to feed them as they've been affected by covid the most, is the least they can do.
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Nov 19 2020 03:33am
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it still is. it's a policy, not one of the ten commandments. when the problem is fixed, no one will use it anymore.

Splitting hairs. Its already been extended beyond the original intent.

When what problem is fixed? Hunger? Thats part of the human condition.

“Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program” - Milton Friedman

Recognizing that it was supposed to be temporary and being wary of mission creep is a perfectly valid reason to oppose extending it further.

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because they already have tons of welfare programs and don't need another one - just an opinion. one that a majority doesn't share btw, hence the controversy.


I don't care if a majority support a policy. It doesn't erase the reasons for dissenting views.

The fact that there already are other programs is a pertinent consideration and valid reason for their position.

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because its forced redistribution of wealth and wrong - circular logic. personal opinion.

Correctly identifying it as something bad is perfectly valid and not circular logic.

Labeling things 'opinion' doesn't erase their merit or their existence.

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because it further increases dependence on government - countless times debunked by actual studies. brainless talking point.

The absurd idea that its 'debunked' by 'actual studies' is the actual brainless talking point.

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because the kids aren't actually starving without this new policy, its an appeal to emotion. - in civilised countries, hunger and malnutrition in kids are also problems worth addressing, not just outright starving

Doesn't address the point.
A government meal program is not the only way to address it.

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because integrity is more important than avoiding criticism from ignorant and vile leftists. - listening to the people and making sensible decisions isn't "avoiding criticism" or 'lack of integrity', but literally a politicians job.


Some people value integrity over avoiding criticism. Without a doubt that plays a major role for some people who choose to dissent against a very popular policy.

What you think a politicians job is is irrelevant.

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"ignorant and vile" are obvious projections.

The ignorance and vile behavior of many people on the left is well documented.
Its heightened when people oppose a popular program like this one. All kinds of insults and profanities have been hurled at people who dared to not support extending the program with little to no regard for their potential reasons for doing so. Emotion over reason.

A policy is 'for the children' so how could anyone but a monster oppose it?
Low resolution emotional thinking that is often abused to make politicians pass unwise legislation.
Its not an uncommon tactic in the US.

Pretending that is 'projection' is hilarious coming from you.
You have firmly established yourself as one of the most hateful and ignorant losers on the entire forum. Laughed out of Pard because you falsely pretend everyone who disagrees with you is racist and evil and a trump shill without bothering to honestly consider what was said.

The question was how anyone could oppose the policy. I listed several valid reasons.
You don't have to personally agree with those reasons.


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Splitting hairs. Its already been extended beyond the original intent.

When what problem is fixed? Hunger? Thats part of the human condition.

“Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program” - Milton Friedman

Recognizing that it was supposed to be temporary and being wary of mission creep is a perfectly valid reason to oppose extending it further.



I don't care if a majority support a policy. It doesn't erase the reasons for dissenting views.

The fact that there already are other programs is a pertinent consideration and valid reason for their position.


Correctly identifying it as something bad is perfectly valid and not circular logic.

Labeling things 'opinion' doesn't erase their merit or their existence.


The absurd idea that its 'debunked' by 'actual studies' is the actual brainless talking point.


Doesn't address the point.
A government meal program is not the only way to address it.



Some people value integrity over avoiding criticism. Without a doubt that plays a major role for some people who choose to dissent against a very popular policy.

What you think a politicians job is is irrelevant.


The ignorance and vile behavior of many people on the left is well documented.
Its heightened when people oppose a popular program like this one. All kinds of insults and profanities have been hurled at people who dared to not support extending the program with little to no regard for their potential reasons for doing so. Emotion over reason.

A policy is 'for the children' so how could anyone but a monster oppose it?
Low resolution emotional thinking that is often abused to make politicians pass unwise legislation.
Its not an uncommon tactic in the US.

Pretending that is 'projection' is hilarious coming from you.
You have firmly established yourself as one of the most hateful and ignorant losers on the entire forum. Laughed out of Pard because you falsely pretend everyone who disagrees with you is racist and evil and a trump shill without bothering to honestly consider what was said.

The question was how anyone could oppose the policy. I listed several valid reasons.
You don't have to personally agree with those reasons.


very well then, you have successfully proven that it is TECHNICALLY possible to be vile and stupid enough to oppose feeding kids, but that never was the point. "anyone" surely meant reasonable, compassionate, and educated people - not ignorant 'libertarian' edgelords.

now gtfo and go lick some more of that tasty trump boot in pard.

This post was edited by fender on Nov 19 2020 03:48am
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very well then, you have successfully proven that it is TECHNICALLY possible to be vile and stupid enough to oppose feeding kids, but that never was the point. "anyone" surely meant reasonable, compassionate, and educated people - not ignorant 'libertarian' edgelords.

now gtfo and go lick some more of that tasty trump boot in pard.


Thanks for this demonstration of my points.
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