Quote (ampoo @ 23 Jan 2017 19:30)
i consider mainz to be a successful club and i think everyone with the slightest clue would agree
your boys continuously finish above bigger clubs that have multiple times your budget, best example would be hamburg :lol:
of course orian has no clue that one can be successful without winning titles
well, i also consider our current stint in the bundesliga a success, certainly by our standards but yeah, it's not like we'd ever seriously challenge for any titles and we already got eliminated from europa league by bang average teams (even though it was a bit unlucky). and with all the players we have to sell each year that certainly won't change for the better, i reckon this is about as good as it could possibly get for us and i wouldn't be surprised if we fought against relegation in the not too distant future to be honest...
so i can certainly see how your average bandwagon fan would consider us a bad team and i have no problem at all with that evaluation. compared us to the big teams that are "supported" by most of the guys in this forum, it's actually a correct statement. the funny part, however, is how some ppl seem to think i'd be embarrassed to admit that, just shows you their plastic fan mentality...