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Aug 6 2016 08:45am
Quote (schnoig2 @ Aug 6 2016 03:40pm)
This is the commercialisation of football in general, and cant be stopped, if kiddies arround the world buy fifa Ut packages with dads credit card. If we all dont stop watching every game on the tv, buying jerseys etc. Its a normal evolution. Football is like a money printing machine for them. I also dont like it but it is the evolution. Its a business.


Thats correct, but i still wouldn't want my club to be taken over. It will lose it's tradition over time, attract more plastic fans, and eventually will become a plastic club.
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Aug 6 2016 08:47am
Quote (NOFX @ Aug 6 2016 10:33am)
financial takeovers represent everything that's wrong with modern football, and you really think this is "great"?
no true fan would approve. unneccessarily huge transfer fees are paid, players get carried away by their salary instead of playing for the club they love etc etc.
it's ruining the sport we all (used to) love, instead of making it better
i'm rather stuck supporting a low/mid table team for the rest of my life, instead of buying success...
and you really think bayern is spending big money over the last few years?? i really hate that club, but it is the best (financially) managed club in the world...



Please they spend almost just as much... Just insane how they steal players from their own league fking over the other teams. Mainly bvb
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Aug 6 2016 08:50am
Quote (NOFX @ 6 Aug 2016 15:45)
Thats correct, but i still wouldn't want my club to be taken over. It will lose it's tradition over time, attract more plastic fans, and eventually will become a plastic club.


True... but if they wouldnt overtake it, milan would probably dissapear from the big european clubs and that would also be sad imo

Its both sad.

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Please they spend almost just as much... Just insane how they steal players from their own league fking over the other teams. Mainly bvb


Kind of a reason i hate them, but they spend nowhere near as much as some english or spanish clubs for example. Like it or hate it, but it's clever and a way to achieve success without needing to bring overpaid mercenaries from all over the world.
The only flaws you could mention are selling Kroos to madrid for a joke amount of money and being relucant to buy a really good striker a few years back instead of going with gomez.

And it's not about not spending so much money, it's about were the money comes from. If you earned it fair and square, you are free to spend it ofc.

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Aug 6 2016 09:01am
It wasn't money that they needed, just some proper people at the top who know football............................ All the money in the world cannot save that club without people with some actual knowledge.
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It wasn't money that they needed, just some proper people at the top who know football............................ All the money in the world cannot save that club without people with some actual knowledge.


Srry to say but Ajax and psv are probably going nowhere.
haha the Czech league was ahead of Dutch in the eu coefficients last year, and I have no clue how. I always thought psv/ajax/feyernoord did quite alright.
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Aug 6 2016 10:00am
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Its simple. I watch a post-match discussion on itv with thierry henry an other guests and i think: "well this stuff is very professional and objective"

Same with french tv for example.

Then i switch to the same thing on zdf and ard or even sky, with kahn, scholl, breitner, beckenbauer or sammer. And its the usual stereotype style of blabla i hear there.

You guys get one sided information and opinions. Its a plus if you understand 5 languages, you get different opinions of the same objectiv.

Serie A = shit league is mostly a german opinion (from the media)

Thats my opinion, i can be wrong, just saying.

Berlusconi gone - Overall not a bad thing for the italian football, imo.

backpedaling harder than anyone i ever saw on jsp. you called german media aggressive and racist (island apes).

spreading lies doesn't make your opinion valid. if a media guy would ever use a word like island apes, he is gonna lose his job within 24 hours.

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Aug 6 2016 10:06am
Quote (schnoig2 @ 6 Aug 2016 15:31)
Its simple. I watch a post-match discussion on itv with thierry henry an other guests and i think: "well this stuff is very professional and objective"

Same with french tv for example.

Then i switch to the same thing on zdf and ard or even sky, with kahn, scholl, breitner, beckenbauer or sammer. And its the usual stereotype style of blabla i hear there.

You guys get one sided information and opinions. Its a plus if you understand 5 languages, you get different opinions of the same objectiv.

Serie A = shit league is mostly a german opinion (from the media)

Thats my opinion, i can be wrong, just saying.

Berlusconi gone - Overall not a bad thing for the italian football, imo.


Nowhere ever did any German media (or TV expert for that matter) accuse Serie A of being shit.
There were several reports (probably true) about players' wages not being paid by like 70% of Serie A and Serie B teams... just like there were many reports on the decline of viewer interest in Serie A both in the stadiums (mainly because they looked like crap and needed general renovation) and on TV (probably also true).
But the Italian style and quality of football was never in question. Not even questioned by crappy / aggressive newspapers like BILD and for sure not by TV experts (both Kahn and Scholl told many times how tactically evolved Serie A / Italian football was).

Breitner and Beckenbauer are basically idiots. And every German football fan knows that. That's why they're not invited as "experts" for post-match analysis and stuff. They're mainly part of various talk shows where they smash heads with other idiots (like Waldemar Hartmann), so again it's a sure thing nobody takes them seriously.

Where they (the experts, not the newspapers) DO have a clear opinion is English football on the other hand... but tbh there is nothing wrong with telling the truth.
A truth that many interested viewers around the world already know: PL might be the most exiting to watch (for people that don't care about tactics, but about names), might even be the most competitive league where many clubs could win a title. BUT that doesn't mean shit as long as even those competing top teams like Chelsea, Man United, City, Tottenham and others are basically on the same tactical level as German/Dutch/Spanish/Italian youth teams and thus irrelevant whenever it comes to winning something like CL versus international clubs that have the same (or at least close to the same) money to spend.

In other words:

A random German/Italian/Dutch/Spanish team would need much less funds to build a team on par with a random English team.
With the same funds on both sides, said random German/Italian/Dutch/Spanish team would probably beat the random English team 99% of the time.

Back to topic:

I still believe getting rid of Berlusconi was the best thing that oculd happen to Milan, no question.
There might have been another way to get back to the top though, like relying on their own youth instead of relying on an investor, like Dortmund did when they were basically finished.

This post was edited by aneas on Aug 6 2016 10:17am
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Aug 6 2016 10:14am
Y'all are quite defensive for an obviously extremist view of your media.

Anyways, this is very good for Milan. Berlusconi has been massacring this club over the last several years, basically since the Ibra/Thiago Silva sales. They had the highest wage bill in Italy- which they could not sustain and on top of that they were paying some very overrated and older players.

Last summer they spent quite a lot but not on great players but they do have a few promising younger players like Donnarumma, Romagnoli, Calabria, Antonelli, Di Sciglio, off the top of my head.

Milan entered this summer with a 20M transfer budget according to reports and half that amount was spent on Lapadula. Lapadula is a 26 year old from Serie B, ex Juventus youth product and to be honest I like the signing but it really shows where Milan is at as a club.

On top of that since they dismissed Allegri, the best Italian manager, they have struggled to find any consistency. They've had at least 5 managers in the last 5 years and that's a problem.
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Aug 6 2016 10:15am
Quote (kbk @ 6 Aug 2016 17:14)
Y'all are quite defensive for an obviously extremist view of your media.


What would you call "our media"?
BILD isn't "our media" for sure... but tbh it's the only mainstream news organization I could think of that is as aggressive as you describe it.
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