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Oct 31 2015 11:03am
Quote (fender @ 31 Oct 2015 17:43)
i feel the same about those guys, i think it's ungrateful. of course it is about profit and those players realising they don't have a chance to play for germany but what does that have to do with your weird theory that some of our youth players don't "feel german"? you're changing the topic here. again, how german does one have to "look" / "feel" to play for the national team in your opinion?

as for you - were you born here? didn't you go to school here? i know that a majority of immigrants feel the need to be especially "patriotic" because it gives them a sense of "belonging" somewhere but if you feel you don't belong here and prefer the country you "travel to very often" - why don't you stay and live there?


If he's been there for 3 generations, he's german.
By that criteria you would probably have half the team you had for the past 10 years.
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Oct 31 2015 11:08am
Quote (fender @ 31 Oct 2015 19:01)
well you make racist assumptions based on their skin colour and name - you don't know how any of them feel, do you? sure, they are not what you would traditionally call "typically german" and i wouldn't be surprised if some of them end up playing for the country of their parents / grandparents / one of their parents - but you don't know that, you just look at them and say they don't feel "100% german"...

also, i'm not questioning your motives why you travel to the home country of your parents, i'm just asking why you don't STAY there if you like it better... i think it's a fair question...



where did you read that i wrote its better in croatia?
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Oct 31 2015 11:12am
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If he's been there for 3 generations, he's german.
By that criteria you would probably have half the team you had for the past 10 years.


3? not 2? not 4? is it relevant how fast the ancestors tried to become a part of the country they chose? or how hard they tried not fit in and not learn the language and not get a job? what about those many cases where one parent is german and the other one foreign and immigrant? is it 1.5 generations then? can the waiting time be reduced by singing the anthem really f*cking loud and will it be extended when you're caught eating kebap or hummus? is it 3 generations for immigrants from each country or is it based on cultural / religious / skin tone difference? plz enlighten me...
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Oct 31 2015 11:18am
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where did you read that i wrote its better in croatia?


well you called it your "home country", you "travel there all the time", you would "never play for germany"... it's pretty clear to me you "feel croatian" - and there is nothing wrong with it, i'm just asking you why you don't want to live in croatia then? you're like a girl staying at one guy's house because he has cool stuff but getting f*cked by another guy...

also, nice dodge on the topic related part that you don't know how any of those players feel and just make your assumptions based on their skin colour and names...
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Oct 31 2015 11:19am
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where did you read that i wrote its better in croatia?



also i never said anything wrong about germany as a country or the living standards or the germans itself,i like visiting family and doing my vacations there,just because i would rather play for croatia than germany it doesnt mean id rather stay in croatia and therefor hate germany
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Oct 31 2015 11:22am
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well you called it your "home country", you "travel there all the time", you would "never play for germany"... it's pretty clear to me you "feel croatian" - and there is nothing wrong with it, i'm just asking you why you don't want to live in croatia then? you're like a girl staying at one guy's house because he has cool stuff but getting f*cked by another guy...

also, nice dodge on the topic related part that you don't know how any of those players feel and just make your assumptions based on their skin colour and names...



i cannot know it ofc but its obvious,else they wouldnt play for other nations than germany in the end.and yea your first statement makes sense...not.but you ofc always know better.
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Oct 31 2015 11:26am
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i cannot know it ofc but its obvious,else they wouldnt play for other nations than germany in the end.and yea your first statement makes sense...not.but you ofc always know better.


well none of those have chosen another country yet, so basically you're proving me right - your assumptions were based on name and skin colour.

also, no need to make those generalised excuses - you're the expert here - if you're interested in explaining your choice do so, if not then don't - but don't give me such half-assed excuses like "ofc you always know better" implying it's my fault you can't explain yourself properly... that's kindergarten...
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Oct 31 2015 11:30am
Quote (fender @ 31 Oct 2015 19:12)
3? not 2? not 4? is it relevant how fast the ancestors tried to become a part of the country they chose? or how hard they tried not fit in and not learn the language and not get a job? what about those many cases where one parent is german and the other one foreign and immigrant? is it 1.5 generations then? can the waiting time be reduced by singing the anthem really f*cking loud and will it be extended when you're caught eating kebap or hummus? is it 3 generations for immigrants from each country or is it based on cultural / religious / skin tone difference? plz enlighten me...


2 is not enough to feel at home abroad and get accustomed to & grasp the basics of either language or cultural habbits of the place, 3 might be too low - anything higher than 3 is okay.
If one of the parents is german (not ignoring the above rule when calling him german) than the kid has obviously dual citizenship and either country he choses should be and is considered to be no problem. But even then we fall under that rule above.

I like germans and have no problem with them being of foreign background/ancestry. Problems start when they try to take advantage/exploit something as stupid as nationalism and register for the Germany squad.

Afterall George V Of England was of German ancestry.

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Oct 31 2015 11:31am
Quote (fender @ 31 Oct 2015 19:26)
well none of those have chosen another country yet, so basically you're proving me right - your assumptions were based on name and skin colour.

also, no need to make those generalised excuses - you're the expert here - if you're interested in explaining your choice do so, if not then don't - but don't give me such half-assed excuses like "ofc you always know better" implying it's my fault you can't explain yourself properly... that's kindergarten...



ok,end of discussion.
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Oct 31 2015 11:41am
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2 is not enough to feel at home abroad and get accustomed to & grasp the basics of either language or cultural habbits of the place, 3 might be too low - anything higher than 3 is okay.
If one of the parents is german (not ignoring the above rule when calling him german) than the kid has obviously dual citizenship and either country he choses should be and is considered to be no problem. But even then we fall under that rule above.

I like germans and have no problem with them being of foreign background/ancestry. Problems start when they try to take advantage/exploit something as stupid as nationalism and register for the Germany squad.

Afterall George V Of England was of German ancestry.


"taking advantage of" and "exploiting" something is what you think we take in all those immigrants for? for our football team? don't be ridiculous. they all learned to play in german teams under german coaches - what countries like the usa and turkey do is the real "exploiting" - they take the talented players we trained and exploit that they have a 2nd citizenship to buy them for their countries - those players never played in turkey / usa, those countries did nothing to make them the players they are...
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