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Aug 5 2015 08:43am
Quote (zarkadon @ 5 Aug 2015 16:08)
that quote :LOL:

Madrid barely won anything after the Ye-Ye era in the 60s up until the late 80s with the Quinta del Buitre; not sure what that has to do with Franco or Cruyff because neither of them was around for most of those years...

Teams like Athletic, la Real, Valencia and Atlético had already won La Liga in democracy way before Cruyff took over Barça, it's not like he did anything special in that sense.

What made Cruyff special were the revolutionary tactical concepts he introduced to football; that's all great, but that alone doesn't make one a great manager. You talk about Mourinho being lucky, but Cruyff won almost every single piece of silverware on his managerial curriculum in a "very lucky" fashion. Even Pep, who still struggles to prove himself outside Barcelona, is a better manager than Cruyff imo.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1024195/Porto-kicked-Champions-League-bribery-referees-2003-04.html

The mou "Lucky" Ended in a trial though.
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Aug 5 2015 08:53am
Quote (zarkadon @ 5 Aug 2015 16:08)
that quote :LOL:

Teams like Athletic, la Real, Valencia and Atlético had already won La Liga in democracy way before Cruyff took over Barça, it's not like he did anything special in that sense.


...the fuck... ?
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Aug 5 2015 09:11am
Quote (B4al @ 5 Aug 2015 16:53)
...the fuck... ?
1977–78 Real Madrid Barcelona Athletic Bilbao Mario Kempes Valencia 28
1978–79 Real Madrid Sporting de Gijón Atlético Madrid Hans Krankl Barcelona 29
1979–80 Real Madriddagger Real Sociedad Sporting de Gijón Quini Sporting de Gijón 24
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Juanito Valladolid
Real Madrid 17
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1986–87 Real Madrid Barcelona Espanyol Hugo Sánchez Real Madrid 34
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1989–90 Real Madrid Valencia Barcelona Hugo Sánchez Real Madrid 38

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Atlético won it in 1977, my bad on Valencia though, they won it on 1971 (before Franco died) and I thought it had been later.

And that's what I said, they were bad until the Quinta del Buitre years in the late 80s... they won like 4 leagues between 1970 and 85, out of which 2 of them were thrown by Valencia and Sporting.

It's generaly considered the worst era in Madrid's history after of course the dark era that came after the 2nd Republic and lasted until the early-mid 50s resurrection.
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Aug 5 2015 09:20am
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Atlético won it in 1977, my bad on Valencia though, they won it on 1971 (before Franco died) and I thought it had been later.

And that's what I said, they were bad until the Quinta del Buitre years in the late 80s... they won like 4 leagues between 1970 and 85, out of which 2 of them were thrown by Valencia and Sporting.

It's generaly considered the worst era in Madrid's history after of course the dark era that came after the 2nd Republic and lasted until the early-mid 50s resurrection.


They were flukes 2 sociedad, 2 bilbao and one barcelona in 15 years, its not fair to say "other team have won it" like they dominated the league for years.

On the other hand you minimalised Cruyff to almost point blank

Cruyff's "Dream Team" won La Liga four times between 1991 and 1994, and beat Sampdoria in both the 1989 European Cup Winners' Cup final and the 1992 European Cup final at Wembley.[57] Barcelona also won a Copa del Rey in 1990, the European Super Cup in 1992 and three Supercopa de España as well as finishing runner-up to Manchester United and A.C. Milan in two European finals.[57]

Its not just 1 european cup and 4 titles. B)
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Aug 5 2015 09:25am
Quote (Finances @ Aug 5 2015 02:17pm)
Oh you guys mean the spanish comunitys on UK? Damn haha u guys calling the spaniards waiters!? Lmao :lol:


I legit don't even understand what you even tried to say...
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Aug 5 2015 09:36am
Quote (B4al @ 5 Aug 2015 17:20)
They were flukes 2 sociedad, 2 bilbao and one barcelona in 15 years, its not fair to say "other team have won it" like they dominated the league for years.

On the other hand you minimalised Cruyff to almost point blank

Cruyff's "Dream Team" won La Liga four times between 1991 and 1994, and beat Sampdoria in both the 1989 European Cup Winners' Cup final and the 1992 European Cup final at Wembley.[57] Barcelona also won a Copa del Rey in 1990, the European Super Cup in 1992 and three Supercopa de España as well as finishing runner-up to Manchester United and A.C. Milan in two European finals.[57]

Its not just 1 european cup and 4 titles. B)


la Real wasn't flukey at all, they still hold the record for most consecutive games undefeated (38 games between the 2 seasons they won their titles), and Athletic won the double iirc.

In general, the level of La Liga was awfull between 1970 and 1995. Barely any international titles were won, and the vast majority of players were spanish (it was before Bosman's ruling ofc) and these were Spain's worst years in football where for the most part simply qualifying for an international tournament was seen as a success.

Teams like Sporting or newly promoted Deportivo could almost win the league because the top teams were awful. For the most part Atlétco had the best team, but they kept fucking up for one reason or another and during those years they earned themselves their famous "el pupas" nickname, which translates to something like "the one that constantly has bad things happen to him".
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