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Apr 19 2016 07:35am
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Except Solanke and Brown arent getting any first team football and he is.

And Pulisic was training with the professional team Harrisburg City Islanders throughout his youth/young teen years and was apparently able to dominate them at a young age from my understanding from a buddy of mine that played whilst he was there. He was like 14 able to just dribble past everyone. And even though the HCI are a low level pro team, at 14 in the US that is impressive.



He's still a great dribbler and has the necessary pace and especially acceleration it takes to get past opponents in 1vs1 or 2vs2 situations.
He's still young though and will take time to adapt to senior/first division football... he's been showing some great potential and tactical understanding, but - like Sané - for example he's still too selfish in certain situations and lacks (or better: is slow in) the vision/awareness for team mates and space. But that's something that'll pretty much change really fast considering the training methods Dortmund offers and Tuchel being a great coach.
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Apr 19 2016 07:39am
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He's still a great dribbler and has the necessary pace and especially acceleration it takes to get past opponents in 1vs1 or 2vs2 situations.
He's still young though and will take time to adapt to senior/first division football... he's been showing some great potential and tactical understanding, but - like Sané - for example he's still too selfish in certain situations and lacks (or better: is slow in) the vision/awareness for team mates and space. But that's something that'll pretty much change really fast considering the training methods Dortmund offers and Tuchel being a great coach.


Yes, I agree. Those things you pointed out are talents he will develop with experience in the first team. Dortmund has been handling his progression fantastically imho.
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Apr 19 2016 08:03am
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Yes, I agree. Those things you pointed out are talents he will develop with experience in the first team. Dortmund has been handling his progression fantastically imho.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd9R8PJtAT0

Footbonaut will teach him^^

Tuchel seems to prefer this "slower" way of bringing in talent and he fared really well with this at Mainz, too.
Passlack will take a little longer to adapt imo... Pulisic really surpassed him in a short period of time.
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Apr 19 2016 08:55am
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Except Solanke and Brown arent getting any first team football and he is.

And Pulisic was training with the professional team Harrisburg City Islanders throughout his youth/young teen years and was apparently able to dominate them at a young age from my understanding from a buddy of mine that played whilst he was there. He was like 14 able to just dribble past everyone. And even though the HCI are a low level pro team, at 14 in the US that is impressive.



Solanke and brown aren't getting any first team football? Buddy solanke is a starter :rofl: I see him on the team sheet every time I look at vitesse.
As for brown i don't see him as much as solanke, but could be because he is injured.
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Solanke and brown aren't getting any first team football? Buddy solanke is a starter :rofl: I see him on the team sheet every time I look at vitesse.
As for brown i don't see him as much as solanke, but could be because he is injured.


I was just assuming the two players you were talking about were at Chelsea, not playing somewhere loaned... But Vitesse are a mid table dutch team in which Brown has only started 12 games and has just one goal...

I dont see the comparison really. Vitesse < BvB. 19 < 17. 3 games started vs 12 games started and the same output in goals?

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I was just assuming the two players you were talking about were at Chelsea, not playing somewhere loaned... But Vitesse are a mid table dutch team in which Brown has only started 12 games and has just one goal...

I dont see the comparison really. Vitesse < BvB. 19 < 17. 3 games started vs 12 games started and the same output in goals?



Solanke is only (almost exactly) one year older than Pulisic and has 22 games with 7 goals. That's not bad.
At this age playing games in a weaker league is more important than playing/subbing on here and there.
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Solanke is only (almost exactly) one year older than Pulisic and has 22 games with 7 goals. That's not bad.


Agreed.

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At this age playing games in a weaker league is more important than playing/subbing on here and there.


That's debatable though. Depending on the league and the quality level of teammates and training sessions, I'd argue that it's almost always better to stay at the bigger club and participate in their training sessions as well as getting a few minutes on the pitch now and then, while going full 90 minutes for the reseves/2nd team (they exist, don't they?) whenever there's no room on the team sheet. Getting used to the speed and intensity during training matches as well as improving your own ablities through training with the likes of Fabregas, Hazard, etc. will net you a better result than being a starter in a weaker team & weaker league while missing out on proper training sessions and teammates. Loans etc. can be done once a player has improved enough "at home".


Btw.:

According to several German newspapers and sites, Dortmund have signed Ousmane Dembele from Stade Rennes.

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Agreed.



That's debatable though. Depending on the league and the quality level of teammates and training sessions, I'd argue that it's almost always better to stay at the bigger club and participate in their training sessions as well as getting a few minutes on the pitch now and then, while going full 90 minutes for the reseves/2nd team (they exist, don't they?) whenever there's no room on the team sheet. Getting used to the speed and intensity during training matches as well as improving your own ablities through training with the likes of Fabregas, Hazard, etc. will net you a better result than being a starter in a weaker team & weaker league while missing out on proper training sessions and teammates. Loans etc. can be done once a player has improved enough "at home".


Btw.:

According to several German newspapers and sites, Dortmund have signed Ousmane Dembele from Stade Rennes.



Yeah that's true, training sessions are very important.
I hear everyone wants Ousmane, he has really good stats lol, better than martial.
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Apr 20 2016 01:30pm
schmelzer is in such a great form, how the fuck is he not in our national team atm :mellow:
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Easy win B)
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