So where are you from? Russia? Hungary? Israel? Croatia? Nah, not Croatia. I really don't know but I'm curious!



> Overall performance and even more important: Titles in CL as well as in EL. I just cannot agree that EL is unimportant because I think it's a good indicator for the strength of the "rest" of a league.
> The amount of homegrown players used because it generally shows how good the youth work is and how dependent a league is on foreign players.
> The amount of money spent by the clubs. Yes, Barca and even more so Real have horrendous debts too but if you add up the figures you'll see that EPL has spent much more for less success.

(Let me make a sidenote on this point: I really admire every Portuguese, German and French club making a deep run into one of these competitions because it's really an unequal struggle to compete against these debt- and oil-monsters)


Now would you do the same please? Tell me your decisive factors that make Premier League the strongest league in the world!

Ok let me see what do we have here> I'll take Bundesliga,Seria A, EPL and compare them according to ur criteria:

The Italians have got a respectable record of winning 3 CL titles, one of them just recently, English 2,while Germans just one measly cup over a decade ago.
They all haven't won anything in EL.

Again the percentige of foreigners in Bundesliga is higher than Serie A, although not by much, but still, while EPL is just through the roof.

Again, this is more or less an equality, between the 2 and Italians spend just a little more. Now EPL are way ahead in spending.


So to sum it all up, according to these 3 factors Seria A is clearly the best, followed by Germans and EPL way behind.
But I guess u know how it really is...

I already told u. Better players in general, higher number of quality teams,good results in CL (and yes good results are not only about winning), bigger financial power of clubs, popularity and competiveness ( u still might wan't to argue, but domestic league is > EL to any club in top half-that's just how it is) COMBINED make EPL the best around. I think u'll agree that football nowadays is heavily concentrated into making money Are u aware of the fact, that for example 10th place in EPL still gets about 3 times more, than the winners of EL. And hat's just prize money, not including TV rights.

This post was edited by vygax on Apr 6 2012 07:33pm

Even more, the FA Cup winners actually get close to what EL winners do. While in Spain as far as i know they get shit compared to EPL. So who in their right mind would focus on competition that provides the least rewards possible?

Funny, last time you compared La Liga to EPL you went back 7 years to include Liverpool's title - now you went back 9 years to include Milan's title.
And also:



Seems like I have to post this again: If you take 1992-Now I DO think Serie A > PL but not right now, and we're talking about right now, aren't we?



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That isn't even right according to the stuff you posted yourself!




I also told you severeal times.

But ok, let's see: "Better players in general". I think we can agree that world's best 2 players play in La Liga but overall ok. Better players (due to more money spent). You consider it a strength - I say rather a better team than better players! Results show I'm right.

"Higher number of quality teams": Well I know that more Spanish teams have won international titles than English teams. I know that Spanish teams can compete on European level while English teams failed hard.

"Good results in CL": The same old story: You excelled in '08 and '09 (still managed to win only one of those) but since then you don't even have that going for you!

"Financial power" from American, Russian and Arabian investors. Not a strength in my eyes.

"Popularity" I already admitted that PL has the best marketing. Doesn't make their results better.


So I'm obviously more the results and facts guy while you are more of a "soft skills" guy, huh?
As I said before, we'll have to agree to disagree since even this season wasn't able to open your fanboy eyes. All you effort won't change the simple facts which are:

La Liga will win the Cups, take over the #1 spot in UEFA rankings again and build up a new generation of excellent Spanish youth players while Premier League can gloat about the number of CL quarter and semi finalists they had several years ago, buy foreign stars for foreign oil money and cripple England's slim chances of winning anything in the near future in the process.



Oh and why won't you tell me where you are from? Are you ashamed? I won't make fun of it, I'm not like this if you haven't noticed.

Now you're being silly - show me figures that prove FA cup winners win more than EL winners. And even if it was correct - the prestige from winning a European title is much higher than winning a domestic cup! You try everything to discredit EL just because PL teams can't win it. Look at United's lineup, look at City's lineup and tell me again they didn't care.

Once again an "argument" that shows how desperate you are to find something to make a point.

and now my post

See the difference? Close, more... And that's how u keep twisting and turning all the time

Ok, I ain't gonna include Milan's earlier title. Still ,whichever way u look at it, Italians won it more recently + they have less foreigners + they spend less. How are they bellow not only EPL but Bundesliga as well. A league that's won nothing and also are behind in other aspects according to ur system?Please, explain, i just can't understand it.

There's no such thing in football as didn't care. No team wants to lose willingly, especially when they're clearly superior. Also I said on several occasions that it was a fuck up. But ot's it's just a one of.Yet there's no denying that EL is lower on their priority scale. And don't ask for the reasons, cuz i've already given u those. And why would I want to discredit EL anyway? I like to watch it for what it is, and I ain't gonna hate on it just cuz some english teams got KOed. But I don't understand why u try to convince me that EPL teams rate it or at least should rate it? Before u try to twist my words: no, i'm not saying that FA Cup is rated higher than EL. All I said is they can get simmilar money for wining either of those. And u will not find a single EPL club who would rate EL higher than EPL. Not until difference in prize money is gonna be that big at least.
I'll give u a simple example: Bilbao were 7th when they played Utd. Now they're 11th. U know what that means in Spain? Almost nothing, cuz they get teardrops anyway. So they can easily turn their attention to EL. While in EPL this kind of shift in league postition represents at least 3 mil £ loss in prize money alone - and that's something that even winning EL wouldn't compensate. So go ahead, tell me again how they should worry about the prestige

This post was edited by vygax on Apr 6 2012 09:01pm

What i put in bold could not be any more true. No matter what you will say, he will see whatever makes him look right and write about it purposefully, instead of actually reading what someone means.

Reason why i dont try to reason with him, i feel like im talking to a wall.

Except that you can have a more intelligent conversation with the wall than him.

Nop, this is the part I was referring to:



You twisted and turned, don't blame it on me! Holy mother of god, now it's not only the facts but also your own words that get the better of you!
And still my question is - do you honestly think that anybody believes the PL teams don't care considering its prestige (and money)?

Wow, you're making excuses, changing topics, dodging questions - it almost looks like the facts just don't interest you! A real fanboy attitude!






Ridiculous, you didn't even try to begin with! This are your first 5 posts in this topic:











Now if this is reasoning in your eyes I feel sorry for you. But I think we both know it isn't so stop making lame excuses, is really pathetic!





I won't even bother looking up your posts in this topic bacause all your posts are personal attacks and fanboy rage!

holy rage graph