Chelshit has lived everywhere mate.

His favourite country is usually dependent on the size of the Xmas prezzies from his daddies.

Even if Scandinavia is the closest thing to a social democrat utopia, it comes with a bunch of drawbacks that might not make it worth it for many people.

Weather and, most importantly, the significant lack of daylight during the winter take a psychological toll on a lot of people. You'd really have to consider if you can take it... I personally doubt I would. There are many people who think it's not a big deal, but then regret it after experiencing the Arctic winter... iirc it's Uppsala University that has Europe's highest rate of exchange students prematurely terminating their stay, because they can't handle the lack of sunlight. It's also often cited as the main reason as to why suicide rates are so high in relation to their standard of life and over all happiness index (most people are very happy, but you also get more deeply depressed individuals).

The social benefits are nice of course, but that alone shouldn't be the reason you chose to move. Social policies aren't static, and they can change over the years depending on who is in charge of the government and other social and economic factors. One of the reasons these countries can sustain such a "generous" system is due to the hard work and contributions of the people living there... you shouldn't just move there with the mentality of "what can Sweden do for me?"; it has to be a good deal for both sides or else things will come back to bite you. And you really have to ask yourself if you are going to make use of all those social benefits... is it really worth your tax money to pay for healthcare, social assistance, ecologic maintenance, free education, etc if you are going to make little use of it?

Even if we're all part of the same Western World, there are strong cultural difference between countries in regards of how we see society and accept social and economic policies. Adapting to a new place, becoming integrated among the people there, and assimilating their culture and social philosophy isn't easy or automatic. No matter where you move to, things can get complicated after the honeymoon period, and a lot of people enter a phase where they miss their home countries... not unusually to a point where they give up and want to return.

Personally I think that if you're unhappy or unmotivated, moving out should always be some kind of last resort. You should first ask yourself how you can improve things for yourself in the country you live in, and consider all the opportunities you may have there. Otherwise, you will likely just take that unhappiness to whichever country you move to, and end up in the same situation... even worse, because you'll be homesick.

In any case, this isn't the best place to ask for this kind of advice imo. There are much better forums for these issues... if you're seriously interested in the whole moving out thing, then I'd recommend r/IWantOut as a good starting place to learn about expat experiences, immigration policies, the pros and cons of different countries, alternatives to Sweden based on your needs/plans, etc. If you're still seriously considering a move to Sweden (or any other place) after that, then I'm sure you can find more specific forums and expat guides/help online.

if you want to continue with that then sweden is your guy



italy, czech republic, canada, us, burkina faso

If you make enough money so you don't really need to care, it doesn't really matter where you live. You'll find your fun anywhere... I'd still argue though, that with regards to culture and cuisine, you'd be better off in Europe.

If you are part of working class / middle class, Europe is the better place to live 100%.

Paid maternity leave in EU vs. last industrialized nation to not offer paid maternity leave = USA.
Extended paid sick leave in EU vs. short joke of (if any) paid sick leave in USA.
25+ days of paid vacation & job security via contracts to some extent in EU vs. 10 days of paid leave (if any) + the risk of losing your job for actually asking for those days.
Decentish health insurance systems all over EU, with doctors available for everyone vs. reports of people having to travel for miles and miles to even get treatment, which is mostly not covered for whatever reasons they find.

I wouldn't exactly chose Sweden of all EU countries to live (especially considering the weather / climate) though.

This post was edited by MindlessSpam on Dec 15 2017 03:59am

Come to switzerland bro. its like sweden on roids

then we can cruise with my bimmer 340i to club globe, best sex club in europe and bang some hoes. And to top that, we can drink a sixpack beer one the open street

This post was edited by schnoig2 on Dec 15 2017 04:25am

I was really hoping for Chelsea's country tier list

As usual, the stupidest user on the entirety of the forum always has the most to say

As if anyone is going to trust a scammer tagged noob anyways



In for this



Well put brother zark.

Erik, you're welcome in Canada anytime. We also have similar concerns with the winter weather, it being dark at 4:30-5:00 pm in the peak, or rather lowest point, of winter is somewhat annoying.

I'm not that worldly, but all your problems seem money related rather than country, that's the case for many people

Isn’t money everyone’s problems?! Lol. The Donald just signed into effect increased taxes on my working class (middle). If I’m going to pay close to 35% of my income in taxes, I want something to show for it. I have to also pay for retardedly expensive health insurance... and if I want to actually use the insurance I have to pay even more. It’s honestly easier to be poor in this country because everything is given to you for free.

and I’m mostly pissed that we are probably going to lose internet. But like I said, besides there not being much daylight, I haven’t seen a reason why “usa is so great”

if you want to move to the EU, move to the netherlands or austria imo (maybe ireland or denmark, but those two have more severe drawbacks), they have the best combination of all the things you're looking for.

sweden is an insanely beautiful country without a doubt, but it has its drawbacks. even though the lack of sunlight isn't that bad in the south (where most big cities are located), the taxes and costs of living are rather high. to be fair, so are the wages if you have a decent job, but it makes transitioning harder.
generally speaking you will gain affordable healthcare and education, less violence, crime, and poverty, significantly more worker protection - but it will be harder to obtain guns to be fair.

why not try canada though? same language, climatically similar to sweden (this is a wild generalisation considering the size but you know what i mean, you won't find tropical beaches in either country), the same benefits with even fewer concessions to make...

come to the netherlands bro
the weather's not awesome like in spain for instance, but the summers are nice and the winters are soft.. the days are relatively long too
if you make minimum wage here you can still even go on far holidays without too much trouble! the social health care is really good!

i can actually say that i'm proud to be dutch, or at least to be living here... i mean look what this country accomplishes over and over, for such a small dot on the globe (for instance the US got silicon valley while we got Eindhoven -a city with just 100k habitants- which is exceeding silicon valley anytime soon if not already, we got Wageningen which is leading at biological studies, we are in the top at several sports globally because you can play just about any sport in any village for cheap, the infrastructure is insanely good!, i can go on and on)

the biggest problems we face here are that sinterklaas' -something similar to santa claus- helpers (called black pete's) always were black and it makes people flip the racist card every year atm... they're even trying rainbow petes now, but those people still find ways to flip that same racist card -.-

This issue reached Belgium aswell