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lassana diarra was the worst lol
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Quote (kbk @ 2 Jan 2017 21:33)
Juventus was offering him something like 4.5M/year which is somewhat standard for the wage structure within the club.

I would've liked to see him at Juventus but I'm not bothered.

Chinese money isn't scary, but AC Milan and Inter both have Chinese owners, I'm sure that will get interesting soon.


well i wouldn't be bothered either, he's a solid player but certainly not one a team of juve's quality depends on for their future. also, i'm sure that a majority of quality players will still rather join a club that offers high level competition and the promise of improving their skill (along with a decent wage obviously) over pure money.

that's not the point though. this thread is not about the chinese league destroying european club football but witsel's choice to put money above everything else... again!

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He's following Hulk's exact same steps... Witsel isn't the only (let alone worse) case of football mercenary mentality, so I don't think it's fair to call him the ultimate mercenary. There are far worse cases... even my Mallorca boy Eto'o is worse than Witsel.

This doesn't take away the fact that it's a very disappointing attitude on his side... it's just that we've seen worse.


the hulk example is a good one at first glance since he basically made the same steps. however, hulk played 4 years in portugal, won 3 championships and a european title there, which he greatly contributed to, and joined zenit at the same time although he's 2 1/2 years older than witsel. still a mercenary though, no doubt.

about your boy eto'o i don't think he's as bad or even worse. yes, his frequent team changes after his anzhi move (despite being 30 at that point he still was a player in his prime, it most definitely was a mercenary money move and after that it's gotten outright ridiculous) certainly support your argument but i would counter this by pointing to what he had already achieved in his career: he DID play at the highest level and he was very successful there, won the champions league three times(!) with two different clubs, triples with barcelona and inter(!), multiple league and cup titles and being a top 3 player of his continent from a very young age.
my point here is that while he certainly became a mercenary later in his career, he did NOT choose money over competition in a way that you could say this impacted his possible development while being in his prime...
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Jan 2 2017 03:39pm
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He chose money instead o going to the third best league in the world and to a top 5 team...
I mean if it was Germany or china I could see why he wouldn't want to live with nazis or hitler, but Italy? Come on now

an oil money fan complaining about mercenarism.

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Jan 2 2017 04:09pm
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England has the best league and best players tho.
I can see I triggered you a bit nazi
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well i wouldn't be bothered either, he's a solid player but certainly not one a team of juve's quality depends on for their future. also, i'm sure that a majority of quality players will still rather join a club that offers high level competition and the promise of improving their skill (along with a decent wage obviously) over pure money.

that's not the point though. this thread is not about the chinese league destroying european club football but witsel's choice to put money above everything else... again!



the hulk example is a good one at first glance since he basically made the same steps. however, hulk played 4 years in portugal, won 3 championships and a european title there, which he greatly contributed to, and joined zenit at the same time although he's 2 1/2 years older than witsel. still a mercenary though, no doubt.

about your boy eto'o i don't think he's as bad or even worse. yes, his frequent team changes after his anzhi move (despite being 30 at that point he still was a player in his prime, it most definitely was a mercenary money move and after that it's gotten outright ridiculous) certainly support your argument but i would counter this by pointing to what he had already achieved in his career: he DID play at the highest level and he was very successful there, won the champions league three times(!) with two different clubs, triples with barcelona and inter(!), multiple league and cup titles and being a top 3 player of his continent from a very young age.
my point here is that while he certainly became a mercenary later in his career, he did NOT choose money over competition in a way that you could say this impacted his possible development while being in his prime...


We don't know whether he had deals like players have nowadays or not. Maybe he would have chosen the money as well, but there was no offer that suited him because it wasn't more than what he got at barca or inter.
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Jan 2 2017 04:47pm
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Jan 2 2017 09:51pm)
In all seriousness the difference between the Chinese and Italian leagues is minimal. Makes sense to go for the higher paycheck imo.


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Jan 2 2017 05:31pm
in general i can understand him going there, these guys offered him 4 times as much
its ridiculous

on the other hand i think that proper players who are interested in success, titles and competition will always play in europe
this witsel guy never seemed to be an outstanding player, at least for me....he will not be missed

what is really shocking that he probably didnt think it through properly

joining juve, winning titles and developing would have easily brought him a chinese offer in a few years, perhaps even a better one :lol:
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Jan 2 2017 05:37pm
Quote (fender @ 2 Jan 2017 22:22)
well i wouldn't be bothered either, he's a solid player but certainly not one a team of juve's quality depends on for their future. also, i'm sure that a majority of quality players will still rather join a club that offers high level competition and the promise of improving their skill (along with a decent wage obviously) over pure money.

that's not the point though. this thread is not about the chinese league destroying european club football but witsel's choice to put money above everything else... again!



the hulk example is a good one at first glance since he basically made the same steps. however, hulk played 4 years in portugal, won 3 championships and a european title there, which he greatly contributed to, and joined zenit at the same time although he's 2 1/2 years older than witsel. still a mercenary though, no doubt.

about your boy eto'o i don't think he's as bad or even worse. yes, his frequent team changes after his anzhi move (despite being 30 at that point he still was a player in his prime, it most definitely was a mercenary money move and after that it's gotten outright ridiculous) certainly support your argument but i would counter this by pointing to what he had already achieved in his career: he DID play at the highest level and he was very successful there, won the champions league three times(!) with two different clubs, triples with barcelona and inter(!), multiple league and cup titles and being a top 3 player of his continent from a very young age.
my point here is that while he certainly became a mercenary later in his career, he did NOT choose money over competition in a way that you could say this impacted his possible development while being in his prime...


Yeah, that's true about Eto'o. He was ambitious at first and moved to Barça/inter to win titles, but after that he has just been playing for whichever team offered him the best financial deal (even admited by himself, as he said a few years ago that he wanted to enjoy big contracts before retiring "home"... with home being Mallorca, but I don't think that will happen). Although it's also true that before acting like a mercenary he just did it for the glory of winning titles (still better than doing it for the money, but it's sad that he was never emotionally invested in the big clubs he played for... he keeps saying that he only supports OM and Mallorca, and the rest are clubs he just played for because it was his job and he wanted to win titles and become "king of the world" in a world of whites)... in a way that too is being a mercenary.

Still there are many players that are imo worse than Witsel. Most of them coming from South America, but also from other non-european countries. Alex Teixeira chose Shaktar over the better european leagues, and then went to China when the top clubs in Europe were begingin to notice him. Asamoah Gyan is another good example... left the prem to destroy the Middle East leagues and has now moved to China.
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Jan 2 2017 05:51pm
Andre schurrle was. From a shit club like mainz, to leverkusen, chelsea, wolfsburg, and dortmund. That my friend is a mercenary. The same guy in your outdated sig.
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Quote (grahambo @ 3 Jan 2017 00:51)
Andre schurrle was. From a shit club like mainz, to leverkusen, chelsea, wolfsburg, and dortmund. That my friend is a mercenary. The same guy in your outdated sig.


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