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Oct 30 2016 12:39pm
Quote (chelsea11 @ 30 Oct 2016 19:53)
Mustafi did so good last match :rolleyes:
But srsly arsenal have been quite lucky this month...


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Quote (chelsea11 @ 30 Oct 2016 11:31)
LOL and you don't put Chelsea on there? How in the eff do arsenal have a better team than Chelsea?
United surely doesn't have a better team than Chelsea either. They are just a bunch of big name players put together with no real plan.


First time I have to sort of agree with chelskid.

United's squad isn't better than Chelsea's.... they're comparable and close really with many similarities.

1. Both have great GKs (advantage for de Gea of course, but it seems even he has been driven crazy by their shitty performances)
2. Both have back four (regardless of who's specifically palying) that are not even close to international class; Chelsea taking the lead with regards to wing backs, while United wins @ CBs by a small margin, i.e. slightly less crappy.
3. Both have insanely overrated C(A)Ms in Pogba and Fabregas/Oscar/Willian, but Conte can play around that weakness much better than Mourinho.
4. Regarding the rest, IMO Costa (although a despicable human being) + Hazard are overall better than Zlatan + Rashford (can't really rate Looney and Rashford is still in talent status) and arguably in much better shape right now.

Also Chelsea not buying random offensive power like United and having a team that has (in many positions) played and stayed together for a longer time is an advantage as it perfectly fits Conte's style and slightly reflects what he had at Juve/Italy.
Conte is even good at keeping players motivated and push them to decent comebacks, like he did with Pedro or Matic, while Mourinho is just instantly dividing his team into squad players/candidates vs. rest and treats them like crap. There is literally no way even 67-year old Schweinsteiger or Mkhitaryan could have done worse than ANY of Mourinho's starters except for Zlatan/Rashford.

Overall I think this is Mourinho's greatest weakness... he just doesn't know how to keep motivation up amongst his WHOLE team and thus keeps himself from having more depth in the squad. Especially compared to Conte, Klopp and Pep, who all managed to bring more depth to their squads by shoveling some players around position-wise, giving in to more squad-rotation, getting their players to push themselves to the limits in order to start etc. .

This post was edited by aneas on Oct 31 2016 04:10am
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First time I have to sort of agree with chelskid.

United's squad isn't better than Chelsea's.... they're comparable and close really with many similarities.

1. Both have great GKs (advantage for de Gea of course, but it seems even he has been driven crazy by their shitty performances)
2. Both have back four (regardless of who's specifically palying) that are not even close to international class; Chelsea taking the lead with regards to wing backs, while United wins @ CBs by a small margin, i.e. slightly less crappy.
3. Both have insanely overrated C(A)Ms in Pogba and Fabregas/Oscar/Willian, but Conte can play around that weakness much better than Mourinho.
4. Regarding the rest, IMO Costa (although a despicable human being) + Hazard are overall better than Zlatan + Rashford (can't really rate Looney and Rashford is still in talent status) and arguably in much better shape right now.

Also Chelsea not buying random offensive power like United and having a team that has (in many positions) played and stayed together for a longer time is an advantage as it perfectly fits Conte's style and slightly reflects what he had at Juve/Italy.
Conte is even good at keeping players motivated and push them to decent comebacks, like he did with Pedro or Matic, while Mourinho is just instantly dividing his team into squad players/candidates vs. rest and treats them like crap. There is literally no way even 67-year old Schweinsteiger or Mkhitaryan could have done worse than ANY of Mourinho's starters except for Zlatan/Rashford.

Overall I think this is Mourinho's greatest weakness... he just doesn't know how to keep motivation up amongst his WHOLE team and thus keeps himself from having more depth in the squad. Especially compared to Conte, Klopp and Pep, who all managed to bring more depth to their squads by shoveling some players around position-wise, giving in to more squad-rotation, getting their players to push themselves to the limits in order to start etc. .



I really hope we can keep this up, and tbh I think we will. I like playing 3 atb for now, it's a whole new change to the team in a good way.
I hear in January/summer conte wants to make quite a few new signings and offloads. Curious to see what he is going to do, but I think it will all be good.

We are doing really good vs smaller teams, curious to see how this formation will work vs Liverpool, city, and Spurs.
Btw I disregarded a lot of your nonsense talking lool. I'd rather have David luiz as a CB than Ramos or pique if you consider those two donkies world class. Our centre mids with matic/Kante are golden.
And hazard+Costa are one of the best in the world. Moses+Alonso have a lot to prove still, although I rate Moses so highly and always have (since he was at Wigan).
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Btw I disregarded a lot of your nonsense talking lool. I'd rather have David luiz as a CB than Ramos or pique if you consider those two donkies world class. Our centre mids with matic/Kante are golden.
And hazard+Costa are one of the best in the world. Moses+Alonso have a lot to prove still, although I rate Moses so highly and always have (since he was at Wigan).


Luiz cannot by all means be taken seriously as a defender... He is an okay distance shooter/fk taker and has the size to play as a CB, but that's basically it.

He mostly looks like a clown whenever he's pressured and then gets confused, sometimes leading to hilariously weak positioning... He also lacks the discipline to even compare to better CB's... He wasn't too good during his first run with Chelsea, he didn't improve in Paris really, he was destroyed vs. Germany then and I don't think he'll get any better in bis second run with your team.
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Luiz cannot by all means be taken seriously as a defender... He is an okay distance shooter/fk taker and has the size to play as a CB, but that's basically it.

He mostly looks like a clown whenever he's pressured and then gets confused, sometimes leading to hilariously weak positioning... He also lacks the discipline to even compare to better CB's... He wasn't too good during his first run with Chelsea, he didn't improve in Paris really, he was destroyed vs. Germany then and I don't think he'll get any better in bis second run with your team.



He has better passing than any German CB, faster, more agile, etc.... he is better at everything than they are. The only thing he has been lacking is positioning/consistency, which are VERY important for CB's. if he can improve in these two things, he will be one of the best.
Let's see what conte can do with him
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Oct 31 2016 08:29am
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He has better passing than any German CB, faster, more agile, etc.... he is better at everything than they are. The only thing he has been lacking is positioning/consistency, which are VERY important for CB's. if he can improve in these two things, he will be one of the best.
Let's see what conte can do with him


Wtf :rofl:
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Oct 31 2016 08:36am
Quote (chelsea11 @ 31 Oct 2016 16:26)
He has better passing than any German CB, faster, more agile, etc.... he is better at everything than they are. The only thing he has been lacking is positioning/consistency, which are VERY important for CB's. if he can improve in these two things, he will be one of the best.
Let's see what conte can do with him


yeah right

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Someone post boateng vs Messi please.

And it wasn't just luiz who fked up vs Germany, it was also the other 3 defenders...

Btw Chelsea is the only club in europes top 5 leagues to not concede a goal this month ;)

This post was edited by chelsea11 on Oct 31 2016 08:38am
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Someone post boateng vs Messi please.

And it wasn't just luiz who fked up vs Germany, it was also the other 3 defenders...

Btw Chelsea is the only club in europes top 5 leagues to not concede a goal this month ;)


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