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Oct 29 2015 06:38pm
Quote (kroko89 @ 29 Oct 2015 23:23)
well germany didnt play with 11 germans on the field,maybe this is the reason why they lost :p


funny you'd say that because all of our guys are german - born and raised. actually it's the other way around, mate:
lovren, the guy who scored your second goal - german born, too... and from what i understand you have a couple of more germans / swiss in that squad of yours...


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Oct 30 2015 07:32am
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funny you'd say that because all of our guys are german - born and raised. actually it's the other way around, mate:
lovren, the guy who scored your second goal - german born, too... and from what i understand you have a couple of more germans / swiss in that squad of yours...


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since when youre german if youre born in germany?all of them ,beside three, play in croatia.eduardo is an exception and the german thing was more or less a joke :D but i dont believe those guys play for germany cause they feal german.

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since when youre german if youre born in germany?all of them ,beside three, play in croatia.eduardo is an exception and the german thing was more or less a joke :D but i dont believe those guys play for germany cause they feal german.


interesting, what is required to "be german", "feel german"? dressing in black, red and gold? being tall, white and blonde? being named "müller", "meier", "schmidt" or "becker"? if you're born, raised and trained in a country your ancestors CHOSE to emigrate to for the chance of a better life - shouldn't that be the natural choice for you when you have the ability and opportunity to represent a country in your sport?

i know that many haters just don't get the whole immigration concept and live in their racist yesterday world - but i didn't expect you to be one of those tbh... aren't you an immigrant or an immigrant's child in germany yourself? if i'm right, just think about it: what is your "patriotism" other than a glorified idea of the stories of your ancestors?
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interesting, what is required to "be german", "feel german"? dressing in black, red and gold? being tall, white and blonde? being named "müller", "meier", "schmidt" or "becker"? if you're born, raised and trained in a country your ancestors CHOSE to emigrate to for the chance of a better life - shouldn't that be the natural choice for you when you have the ability and opportunity to represent a country in your sport?

i know that many haters just don't get the whole immigration concept and live in their racist yesterday world - but i didn't expect you to be one of those tbh... aren't you an immigrant or an immigrant's child in germany yourself? if i'm right, just think about it: what is your "patriotism" other than a glorified idea of the stories of your ancestors?



yea i live here but i would never play for germany as my parents are croatian and i aswell travel to croatia very often.you put way to much effort into this which isnt really necessary as we talk about football only.just because ive grown up here i dont have to play for germany.you and me know very well that the guys who dont make it into the dfb will play for turkey anyway.football is about profit only and thats the reason why they play for germany,but thats just my opinion.i cant say anything bad about germany neither ive said anything wrong about it.i just dislike those guys who play at dfb in the u teams and when they dont make it into the first team they fade away into the turkey nationalteam and talk about pride etc
take yunus malli as an example,he played from u15-u20 for germany and now he has chosen to play for turkey.why?because of the midfield germany has.he probably noticed that he will never get a real chance to play for germany and thats why he has chosen the turkish nationalteam.considering your conclusion he played for germany as hes german what actually aint nothing bad or wrong but then you cannot play for turkey imo.so hes basically playing for turkey only cause he wouldnt make it in the german nationalteam

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yea i live here but i would never play for germany as my parents are croatian and i aswell travel to croatia very often.you put way to much effort into this which isnt really necessary as we talk about football only.just because ive grown up here i dont have to play for germany.you and me know very well that the guys who dont make it into the dfb will play for turkey anyway.football is about profit only and thats the reason why they play for germany,but thats just my opinion.i cant say anything bad about germany neither ive said anything wrong about it.i just dislike those guys who play at dfb in the u teams and when they dont make it into the first team they fade away into the turkey nationalteam and talk about pride etc
take yunus malli as an example,he played from u15-u20 for germany and now he has chosen to play for turkey.why?because of the midfield germany has.he probably noticed that he will never get a real chance to play for germany and thats why he has chosen the turkish nationalteam.


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Oct 31 2015 09:14am
Quote (kroko89 @ Oct 31 2015 03:37am)
yea i live here but i would never play for germany as my parents are croatian and i aswell travel to croatia very often.you put way to much effort into this which isnt really necessary as we talk about football only.just because ive grown up here i dont have to play for germany.you and me know very well that the guys who dont make it into the dfb will play for turkey anyway.football is about profit only and thats the reason why they play for germany,but thats just my opinion.i cant say anything bad about germany neither ive said anything wrong about it.i just dislike those guys who play at dfb in the u teams and when they dont make it into the first team they fade away into the turkey nationalteam and talk about pride etc
take yunus malli as an example,he played from u15-u20 for germany and now he has chosen to play for turkey.why?because of the midfield germany has.he probably noticed that he will never get a real chance to play for germany and thats why he has chosen the turkish nationalteam.considering your conclusion he played for germany as hes german what actually aint nothing bad or wrong but then you cannot play for turkey imo.so hes basically playing for turkey only cause he wouldnt make it in the german nationalteam


if I had a penny for everytime this statement was true.

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Oct 31 2015 09:43am
Quote (kroko89 @ 31 Oct 2015 12:37)
yea i live here but i would never play for germany as my parents are croatian and i aswell travel to croatia very often.you put way to much effort into this which isnt really necessary as we talk about football only.just because ive grown up here i dont have to play for germany.you and me know very well that the guys who dont make it into the dfb will play for turkey anyway.football is about profit only and thats the reason why they play for germany,but thats just my opinion.i cant say anything bad about germany neither ive said anything wrong about it.i just dislike those guys who play at dfb in the u teams and when they dont make it into the first team they fade away into the turkey nationalteam and talk about pride etc
take yunus malli as an example,he played from u15-u20 for germany and now he has chosen to play for turkey.why?because of the midfield germany has.he probably noticed that he will never get a real chance to play for germany and thats why he has chosen the turkish nationalteam.considering your conclusion he played for germany as hes german what actually aint nothing bad or wrong but then you cannot play for turkey imo.so hes basically playing for turkey only cause he wouldnt make it in the german nationalteam


i feel the same about those guys, i think it's ungrateful. of course it is about profit and those players realising they don't have a chance to play for germany but what does that have to do with your weird theory that some of our youth players don't "feel german"? you're changing the topic here. again, how german does one have to "look" / "feel" to play for the national team in your opinion?

as for you - were you born here? didn't you go to school here? i know that a majority of immigrants feel the need to be especially "patriotic" because it gives them a sense of "belonging" somewhere but if you feel you don't belong here and prefer the country you "travel to very often" - why don't you stay and live there?
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Oct 31 2015 10:52am
Quote (fender @ 31 Oct 2015 17:43)
i feel the same about those guys, i think it's ungrateful. of course it is about profit and those players realising they don't have a chance to play for germany but what does that have to do with your weird theory that some of our youth players don't "feel german"? you're changing the topic here. again, how german does one have to "look" / "feel" to play for the national team in your opinion?

as for you - were you born here? didn't you go to school here? i know that a majority of immigrants feel the need to be especially "patriotic" because it gives them a sense of "belonging" somewhere but if you feel you don't belong here and prefer the country you "travel to very often" - why don't you stay and live there?



its obvious why imigrants travel to their home country,isnt it?^^also no one ever said smth against germany but you can go on creating theorys xd im just saying that those imigrants dont play for germany as they dont feal 100% german else they wouldnt change their mind in the end and im the last one who doesnt respect germany or the germans itself.i think the discussion can end here as its pointless and not the point of this topic.
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its obvious why imigrants travel to their home country,isnt it?^^also no one ever said smth against germany but you can go on creating theorys xd im just saying that those imigrants dont play for germany as they dont feal 100% german else they wouldnt change their mind in the end and im the last one who doesnt respect germany or the germans itself.i think the discussion can end here as its pointless and not the point of this topic.


well you make racist assumptions based on their skin colour and name - you don't know how any of them feel, do you? sure, they are not what you would traditionally call "typically german" and i wouldn't be surprised if some of them end up playing for the country of their parents / grandparents / one of their parents - but you don't know that, you just look at them and say they don't feel "100% german"...

also, i'm not questioning your motives why you travel to the home country of your parents, i'm just asking why you don't STAY there if you like it better... i think it's a fair question...
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