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Aug 5 2015 02:33am
Quote (B4al @ Aug 4 2015 10:27pm)
First year with porto he had shitloads of favorable ref decisions.
Chelski he was a nomark in europe.
Inter he had shitloads of favorable ref decisions.
Rael madrid = he was pep's bitch primera, nomark in europe.
Chelski - he is a nomark in europe.

All this with basically all the funds he needed.

Best coach in the world, clearly.


Are you trying to call one of the most successful managers of the modern era and of all time "lucky" ?
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Aug 5 2015 02:56am
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Are you trying to call one of the most successful managers of the modern era and of all time "lucky" ?


not only "lucky", it's clearly an international referee conspiracy to push mourinho...
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Aug 5 2015 03:37am
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Are you trying to call one of the most successful managers of the modern era and of all time "lucky" ?


He was lucky. Just like Ancelotti had shitloads, shitlaods of luck to go past hiddink's (?!?) psv in 2004-2005.

Considering the fact that he has unlimited funds wherever he goes i wouldn`t rate him at all.
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Aug 5 2015 04:29am
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He was lucky. Just like Ancelotti had shitloads, shitlaods of luck to go past hiddink's (?!?) psv in 2004-2005.

Considering the fact that he has unlimited funds wherever he goes i wouldn`t rate him at all.


So you rate Pep who has only managed at Barca + Bayern in his whole career 2 clubs with pretty much unlimited budgets and already star studded sqauds joining bayern on the back of a cl victory..

But you dont rate mourinho who took Porto and Inter both total underdogs and won the cl with them ?

You are completely clueless
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Aug 5 2015 05:49am
Quote (B4al @ 5 Aug 2015 11:37)
He was lucky. Just like Ancelotti had shitloads, shitlaods of luck to go past hiddink's (?!?) psv in 2004-2005.

Considering the fact that he has unlimited funds wherever he goes i wouldn`t rate him at all.


Yet you consider Cruyff better? A guy who only managed one team and won 4 Ligas and 1 CL, out of which 3 Ligas were won on the last game week because the team that was leading the table choked against all odds allowing Barça to win the title, and the CL was won after a pretty inconsistent run which included a last minute qualifying goal after a horrible game in Kaiserlautern.

I don't see Cruyff was any less lucky than Mourinho tbh.
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Aug 5 2015 06:37am
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So you rate Pep who has only managed at Barca + Bayern in his whole career 2 clubs with pretty much unlimited budgets and already star studded sqauds joining bayern on the back of a cl victory..

But you dont rate mourinho who took Porto and Inter both total underdogs and won the cl with them ?

You are completely clueless


Already stated the fact that pep transformed barcelona completely from rijkaard era. While the 4-3-3 was always there, it evolved. Because of pep there are a few new positions on the pitch, new roles and shit.

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Yet you consider Cruyff better? A guy who only managed one team and won 4 Ligas and 1 CL, out of which 3 Ligas were won on the last game week because the team that was leading the table choked against all odds allowing Barça to win the title, and the CL was won after a pretty inconsistent run which included a last minute qualifying goal after a horrible game in Kaiserlautern.

I don't see Cruyff was any less lucky than Mourinho tbh.


You must consider the circumstances. Cruiff brought light after a turbulent timeframe dominated by madrid through the state involvement in the club affairs.

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The advent of television created new propaganda possibilities for Franco. He could use football’s mass appeal to his advantage in an even bigger fashion than the one he had in mind initially. Games were broadcasted, especially when there were signs of a potential riot or another form of unrest, so that people kept off the roads. But only Real Madrid’s games were given this privilege. Up until the early 1980’s the government controlled TV broadcasting and only showed Real Madrid which meant that people all across Spain were forced to watch Los Blancos each weekend.


This all lasted till the late `80s, in the 90s, cruyiff work has been brilliant. We should not only look at achievements, but the context in which they were made possible. So, in terms of success, Cruyff work is Unmatched so far if you ask me.
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Aug 5 2015 07:29am
Why you guys calling Rafa Benitez waiter?? Dont get it
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Aug 5 2015 07:31am
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Why you guys calling Rafa Benitez waiter?? Dont get it


No need to take offense. It's a valued job position in Spanish communities!
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Aug 5 2015 08:08am
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You must consider the circumstances. Cruiff brought light after a turbulent timeframe dominated by madrid through the state involvement in the club affairs.

In case you forgot


This all lasted till the late `80s, in the 90s, cruyiff work has been brilliant. We should not only look at achievements, but the context in which they were made possible. So, in terms of success, Cruyff work is Unmatched so far if you ask me.


that quote :LOL:

Madrid barely won anything after the Ye-Ye era in the 60s up until the late 80s with the Quinta del Buitre; not sure what that has to do with Franco or Cruyff because neither of them was around for most of those years...

Teams like Athletic, la Real, Valencia and Atlético had already won La Liga in democracy way before Cruyff took over Barça, it's not like he did anything special in that sense.

What made Cruyff special were the revolutionary tactical concepts he introduced to football; that's all great, but that alone doesn't make one a great manager. You talk about Mourinho being lucky, but Cruyff won almost every single piece of silverware on his managerial curriculum in a "very lucky" fashion. Even Pep, who still struggles to prove himself outside Barcelona, is a better manager than Cruyff imo.
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Aug 5 2015 08:17am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ 5 Aug 2015 15:31)
No need to take offense. It's a valued job position in Spanish communities!


Oh you guys mean the spanish comunitys on UK? Damn haha u guys calling the spaniards waiters!? Lmao :lol:
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