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Mar 17 2012 09:22am
Quote (zarkadon @ Mar 17 2012 12:33pm)
Well, anybody that's watched football for over 5 years knows that La Liga was the best league from the mid 90's to just about 5 years ago (in general, since Serie A was arguably superior at some points) which is when the EPL took over.

IMO, potentialwise:

RM & Barça > 2 Manchesters & Cheslea > Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Valencia > Sevilla, Athletic, Atletico > in general the rest of EPL > in general the rest of La Liga

current form will be different of course

This is why I prefer EPL over La Liga, there's too much of a difference in La Liga between the top two following 5-6 teams and an insane difference between the top two and the rest. But this doesn't mean that those that rank 3rd to 8th in La Liga are terrible, they are in fact capable of doing great performances in european competitions (as seen this season). Having the top two teams in La Liga it is only natural they win the CL, and having 5 or so good (but not beast) teams will give you a good chance of winning the EL aswell. The main problem with La Liga is that the teams on the bottom half are terrible, and this is why the share of the tv rights need to be changed, so that they can be competitive again.


I'd pretty much agree with this.
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Mar 17 2012 09:39am
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This is where biggest problem lies. Most kids here watched football only 3-4 years and are incapable of having reasonable discussion beacuse of their lack of knowledge. They have no way to remember how it actually was, so they simply can't compare that with how it is. So one shouldn't hope to for them to be able to see simple fact, that the likes of Valencia, Depor, Betis or even relegated Celta are only mere shadows of the teams they once used to be. Furthermore, most La Liga fanboys aren't in fact Spanish at all. So it's obvious that they can't look past bandwagoning Barca or Real, cuz they simply don't know/aren't interested about the rest. And the only reason they claim La Liga is the best is cuz their "favourite" team plays there. While in reality, nobody, who was following football closely for past 15-20 years can deny the fact that La Liga is nowhere close to what it was in it's glory days at the end of 90's and beggining of 2000. While EPL clubs was constantluy on the rise. But I guess one bad season is enough for kids to troll around.


Yeah well it's just clycles that come and go. EPL will eventually be taken over by La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga or whatever at some point, and then they'll climb back to the top again eventually and so on. It's just how things work, leagues have their good tmes and their bad times.

Quote (Th3_eX @ Mar 17 2012 04:02pm)
athletic and atletico > tottenham, arsenal or liverpool imo


current form probably (although I wouldn't say Arsenal), but I said potentialwise; on the long run arsenal, liverpool and totenham > atletico and athletic

Quote (Catalunya @ Mar 17 2012 04:06pm)
It's funny because Barça won 1991/92 CL.


1992/93 was the first year it was called CL

Quote (Catalunya @ Mar 17 2012 04:07pm)
No veo al Blackburn ganando al Betis.


digo que en genral es así, no que sea así para todos los casos

Quote (ZlatanI @ Mar 17 2012 04:08pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojKoTjsSks8


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Mar 17 2012 11:50am
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Mar 17 2012 12:07pm
Quote (Th3_eX @ Mar 17 2012 03:02pm)
athletic and atletico > tottenham, arsenal or liverpool imo


thats why spurs beat athletic in pre season

athletic got llorente, spurs got vdv, bale, modric, liverpool got gerrard, suarez and arsenal got rvp

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Mar 17 2012 12:11pm
EPL is down imo since English top teams failed so hardly in el/cl :lol:

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This is where biggest problem lies. Most kids here watched football only 3-4 years and are incapable of having reasonable discussion beacuse of their lack of knowledge. They have no way to remember how it actually was, so they simply can't compare that with how it is. So one shouldn't hope to for them to be able to see simple fact, that the likes of Valencia, Depor, Betis or even relegated Celta are only mere shadows of the teams they once used to be. Furthermore, most La Liga fanboys aren't in fact Spanish at all. So it's obvious that they can't look past bandwagoning Barca or Real, cuz they simply don't know/aren't interested about the rest. And the only reason they claim La Liga is the best is cuz their "favourite" team plays there. While in reality, nobody, who was following football closely for past 15-20 years can deny the fact that La Liga is nowhere close to what it was in it's glory days at the end of 90's and beggining of 2000. While EPL clubs was constantluy on the rise. But I guess one bad season is enough for kids to troll around.


well the way i see it this thread is about facts and arguments and having a reasonable discussion...
and although i agree with you that premier league is stronger on average, you certainly can't deny the fact that spanish teams just win more titles - they are more successful and efficient. and that's not only real and barcelona as so many fanboys of english teams claim but also sevilla, atletico and valencia (and maybe bilbao and villareal)...

that being said primera division itself has become a 2 horse race a couple of years ago. and the alarming part about it is that the gap is getting bigger and bigger... so premier league is definitely more exciting to watch but that doesn't automatically mean the 3rd placed team from england is stronger than the 3rd placed team from spain - sometimes their 7th team just dominates englands 1st...
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Mar 17 2012 03:17pm
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but that doesn't automatically mean the 3rd placed team from england is stronger than the 3rd placed team from spain - sometimes their 7th team just dominates englands 1st...

well, imo none of La Liga teams ( besides the obvious 2) can match the status of current Utd, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool clubs. And that what makes EPL stronger - more top level teams. I don't dispute the power of Barca or Real - they might as well be best teams in the world for past decade or so, hence the results in CL. But having only them 2 in La Liga as top European clubs isn't helping when talking about the league strength. And honestly, I don't think that results in EL should be a factor when talking about top teams. Since Valencia's decline, any team in Spain outside the big 2 take EL seriously, whereas the top 6 current EPL teams regard it simply as a failure.
And as I said before, drawing comparrisons from one off season alone, or one tie to be exact doesn't make any sense. It's the same as claiming that Lyon just a few seasons ago was in fact better than Real. Nobody can predict the future and I'm not arguing that La Liga can regain their lost positions, but atm they are behind EPL, cuz in terms of overal status they only have 2 clubs to match the English 6. And I'm not even talking about teams from the bottom half of the table.
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Mar 17 2012 03:32pm
Guys there is no need for discussion, Uefa coefficients make it clear. Next year, EPL is down to second spot.
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