Imo due to lack of discipline, guess what, brought in by mainly those few english players.

Rio Ferdinand was epic, terry-ble & lampard couple made avb quit his job while he was doing okay and again mou's dismissal started when terry was benched (remember zouma incident?)



He is right though on a few points tackled.

This post was edited by B4al on Feb 4 2016 06:20pm

Klopp is good but he can't weave shit into gold

I was just having a nice discussion with most members in this thread... some got my point while you obviously didn't or didn't want to.

I hope for BPL and English football, that not everyone is like you. Otherwise, future games including english teams in UCL will all look like this --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gtIoKWAwDk :D

Or it will look like chelsea thrashing bayern munich in the finals at bayerns HOME stadium

Look at all these Germans bashing the Premier League, a league in which their country's finest coach is struggling to show anything resembling competence.

To quote a great man
"Typical Germans"

Thrashing? Do you actually believe in what you're typing?

Chelsea was lucky that night and didn't show anything even close to actual football during most of the game.
If it wasn't for the individual class of Cech and Drogba, Bayern would have been the deserving winners.




As mentioned before, 3 months with a decent coach are not enough to get a squad, a team or a whole club out of the misery you call English football.

Another user already made that point before:



It's also debatable whether Klopp is the finest German coach or not.

This post was edited by aneas on Feb 6 2016 09:27am

So far he's performing a lot worse than the man he replaced, when you hire a new manager, the least you expect is to steady the ship and a slight improvement in fortunes.

Another glorious draw yesterday

1987–88 in English football

''Manchester United, whose blistering start to the previous season had ended in failure, started the 1986–87 season badly and entered November second from bottom in the league. Manager Ron Atkinson paid for these failings with his job and in came the Aberdeen manager Alex Ferguson to replace him. United subsequently edged up the table to finish in a secure 11th place.''

Nearly the same story.. ferguson took over manu in the middle of the season.. just like klopp with liverpool.
so keep quiet boy

This mindset is one of the biggest problems in English football, yet it seems to be the most prevalent one and also one of the most important reasons why BPL is - except money of course - in such a miserable state with its top teams not far away from being irrelevant in Europe.

What's the best thing Klopp could do with Liverpool? Reach Euro League? Finish slightly behind this year's top 4 or 5 clubs?
And more important: Why would this year's possible top 5-8 finish even matter, considering the little money EL offers?
What's one year (or even two) of playing that "Loser's Cup" or winning a few more league games compared to the opportunity of creating a team that could start to dominate in BPL and stay in Top 4 while regularly qualifying for CL for ages?

Liverpool officials, owners, supporters should only be concerned about very few, yet very important issues:

1. Give Klopp/Buvac all the freedoms they demand
2. Let both of them and their whole team of mental, athletics or w/e else coaches adapt to the season schedule in BPL
3. Let them change training methods and focus on certain aspects of the game as they please, even if this means breaking with century-old English traditions
4. Get rid of all the players who are too used to those traditional (and mostly crappy) training methods and cannot (or do not want to) adapt
5. Replace those players with new and smarter ones who are able to accurately follow Klopp/Buvac's insructions
6. Assemble a squad that is generally able to comprehend Klopp/Buvac's ideas and "visions", regardless of their individual skills and reputation
7. Give that newly built squad a proper pre-season wihtout too many injuries or too many players being used in European Championship

+ on a sidenote:

8. Don't give a sh*t about this year's final table (as long as there is no imminent danger of relgation of course^^)
9. Be happy if Liverpool doesn't have to play in European competition next year, because that would equal more time being effectively used on the training pitch, in the video room or in front of the tactics board

Same goes for Guardiola and basically ever other foreign coach that is hired. Getting BPL players to actually play football that would be considered "modern" by the rest of Europe (and is successful) means completely turning most English clubs upside-down.
Guardiola will probably start off even worse than Klopp, since almost all of his training methods seem to be rather abstract and require a lot of players' trust and probably imagination to even understand. He obviously doesn't put a lot of emphasis on traditional basic formations and individual positions, but has a very fluent concept of how players should move on the pitch in relation to the position of the ball and with respect to the positions of the closest opponents to the ball. Hope he can get things done during summer in pre-season, which I consider his only advantage over Klopp/Buvac.

This post was edited by aneas on Feb 7 2016 11:03am