Quote (ZlatanI @ Mar 23 2012 01:49pm)

ITT: zark explaining things to Sunshines over and over again who keeps being biased and stubborn

Quote (Sunshines @ Mar 23 2012 01:05pm)

The major reason this is happening is indeed because of Jose. Its not because of the referees because they usually perform like this. Every club is used to it, except for madrid apparently

Quote (umade @ Mar 23 2012 01:10pm)

Whenever RM gets a player sent off, José goes berserk on the referee.
Just look at the stupid and dangerous play by Pepe, Ramos and Alonso. They're almost deserving a red card each game for their reckless play.
Then, when they do get it, you see each and every one of them going to the ref saying it was nothing.
Replays clearly show there was no ball and bottom of cleat was up and hitting the player.

It's absurd.

Quote (umade @ Mar 23 2012 01:31pm)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11enIeWNJbE

Watch this, tell me you enjoy watching him play.
Tell me he has a UNIQUE style.

Quote (zarkadon @ Jan 19 2012 10:27pm)

not really.

Materazzi was a rough player that would always intimidate the opponent either physically or verbally, the whole match versus whoever it was. He would do this on perpus, insulting and bashing the opponent whenever the ref wasn't looking, no matter who the rival was.

Pepe is a diferent case. He just looses it when the situation is tense, he's not good at standing pressure. If you think about it, Pepe was never considered violent until he went crazy on Casquero. Ever since then, he's been constantly monitored, and this has actualy made him more prone to violence; I mean, count how many times he's been considered agressive ever since he attacked Casquero, and how many times he had been considered aggressive before that incident. When he plays a match where there's a lot at stake, he tends to go crazy. In random matches he rarely does anything wrong.

I'm not saying he's better or worse than Materazzi, but Marco Materazzi's problem was his attitude, while Pepe's is his weak mind.

Quote (ZlatanI @ Mar 23 2012 01:49pm)

ITT: zark explaining things to Sunshines over and over again who keeps being biased and stubborn

Quote (Sunshines @ Mar 23 2012 02:28pm)

Tell me how the refs in Spain go against Real Madrid. Fact it, that the ref last night wasnt even that bad comparing him to other refs. The problem could be the referees in Spain, but even so its still never an excuse to how real madrid and jose acted up the other night.

Apparently now, rumours have been that after the game a madrid crowd led by ronaldo tried to start a verbal attacking just outside the villareal locker. How would you explain this?

Quote (zarkadon @ Mar 23 2012 02:57pm)

and most of this could be avoided if they changed half of the refs in La Liga.

Quote (zarkadon @ Mar 23 2012 02:39pm)

Refs don't go against Real Madrid. I have not said anything like that. They don't go against any team on purpose, they make mistakes because they are humans, but I don't believe they do so intentionally.

What I'm saying is their attitude is wrong (not all of them, but let's say 50-70%). They stop the game too much, and they card when possible. The only way the know how to interact with players is through either the cards or their whistle, not through dialogue. This is what pisses off players and what causes most of the incidents in La Liga. Like I said, this happens more to Real Madrid because of how Mourinho gets his team fired up, but it also happens to the rest of the teams. Mourinho also fired up his players in his other teams and I have trouble remembering similar incidents happening. What's the main diference? -> spanish refs (which I insist, suck because of the way they treat players not because they are "blind" or "go against a team")

Quote (Andi @ Mar 23 2012 02:42pm)

just have a look at wc
we got a spanish ref in some game and got like 10 yellow cards for nothing
some of our players were out a few games later due to the cards of this faggot

else the wc would have been all ours