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Not in the last couple of years, not right now! Overall since 1992 yes, not since 2000! You seem to disregard the fact that the positions can and do change!

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Are u cerial? Do u expect a manager to say publicly, that he doesn't really give a damn about the loss? And for the line-ups proving it, I already told u how Spurs were concerned about EL, when they played their youths in a decisive group game, cuz they had an important fixture at the weekend. Ur effort to try to convince someone, that the likes of City and Utd were worried about EL just shows how little u know about it in general. The title race at that point was at it's peak, and neither of them would trade valuable points in the league to a victory in cup of much lesser importance. They're European season effectively was over, when they fucked up in CL. Claiming that EL is important to teams of that caliber is the same as trying to prove, that Liverpool after winning Carling and FA ( assuming they will) had a better season than a team with top-4 finish.
It almost as ridiculous as claiming that Real Madrid or Barca are shit, cuz they get koed from Copa del Rey. If u follow football a bit more, than just playing FIFA on ur console, u should  realize by now, that different teams have different goals for the season, and a top team will never focus their full attention to a consolation prize ( EL in City's or Utd's case) if their primary target hasn't been achieved yet.

Quote (vygax @ Apr 6 2012 06:53pm)

When u will acknowledge what u've just said here, u'll probably understand where ur logics has failed u.

Quote (Tredecim @ Apr 6 2012 05:02pm)

Elaborate - what do you regard as my logic and where does it fail me? I never said la Liga was always #1 in Europe, if that's what you're implying.

Quote (Tredecim @ Mar 17 2012 08:22am)

Let's take a look at facts and not at stupid assumptions and lame ass excuses like "sure we got buttraped but they wouldn't be able to buttrape even worse teams each weak".
To be fair I'll compare their performance since 1992/1993 (when Premier League as it exists today and the Champions League were established):

European Titles:

Premier League: 3 CL titles, 1 EL title (2 teams overall)
Primera Division: 6 CL titles, 4 EL titles (5 teams overall)

League Champions:

Premier League: 4 (12x United, 3x Arsenal, 3x Chelsea, 1x Blackburn)
Primera Division: 5 (9x Barca, 6x Real, 2x Valencia, 1x Depor, 1x Atletico)

Transfer balance last 10 years (in Mio. €):

Premier League: - 215, - 353, - 69, - 323, - 456, - 299, - 266, - 321, -250, - 204 --> 2,756
Primera Division: - 61, - 8, - 258, - 15, - 271, - 255, -32, - 138, - 19, - 94 --> 1,151

Foreigners playing in the league:

Premier League: >  63 %
Primera Division: < 38 %


Now hate all you want. The facts won't change!

Quote (vygax @ Apr 6 2012 07:09pm)

well, u clearly established in ur first post what u base ur assumptions on.
I can quote if u don't remember:


According to ur chosen method, it's obvious that Seria A should be better than EPL or La Liga. Cuz, as u said "to be fair" 11 is more than 10 and almost 3 times as much as 4. So how it works out then? Why Italians only got 3 spots in CL and EPL is still no1 in ur chosen UEFA ranking?

Quote (Tredecim @ Apr 6 2012 05:19pm)

Ok, then let's stick to the UEFA ranking (5 years):

Premier League: 1 CL title, 0 EL titles
La Liga: 2 CL titles, 2 EL titles

And I can quote myself too again: Overall from 1992 Serie A performed best. But not in the last couple of years - that's why they got less CL spots (UEFA ranking)!
No matter how you look at it, no matter how many years you chose - La Liga will still be > Premier League!

Oh and nice dodging of the EL part! 

Quote (N4ddi @ Apr 6 2012 05:38pm)

Premier League vs Primera Division = (low quality+decent debts) vs (bankruptcy+dive´n cheat) 

Quote (vygax @ Apr 6 2012 07:27pm)

So u agree, that ur "fair" assesement that u chose in the beggining makes no sense ( Serie A proves it), so now u wanna stick Uefa rankings. Ok fair enough, can u explain me then the reason why EPL officialy is still the highest ranked league then? And then u maybe u could elaborate on how did they get that high?

Quote (Pozer @ 6 Apr 2012 19:41)

SEETHING
Dude, there's no reason to talk shit about the Prem - world's greatest league.