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Mar 7 2019 02:43pm
Quote (ampoo @ 7 Mar 2019 21:11)
fucking hell, that penalty for inter was a joke :lol:

feel free to point if i am missing something, but i watched the replay of the penalty claim for frankfurt a few times now

immediate penalty if you look from above, but in slow motion i cant say its a clear one tbh
i mean the inter player has the right to attack the ball and somehow hallers weird movement then catches his foot and both go down

i am speaking as a defender of course :p


let me elaborate. if you give that one in a random match i would say: definitely a justifiable decision (he clearly hits and obstructs haller), but certainly not mandatory, since it's indeed slightly on the 'softer' side - in that regard i would agree with you.
however, in the context of this game, considering the previous call for absolutely nothing, it's nothing short of a joke and a clear mistake. no discussion whatsoever, he HAS to give that.
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Mar 7 2019 02:55pm
Quote (fender @ 7 Mar 2019 21:43)
let me elaborate. if you give that one in a random match i would say: definitely a justifiable decision (he clearly hits and obstructs haller), but certainly not mandatory, since it's indeed slightly on the 'softer' side - in that regard i would agree with you.
however, in the context of this game, considering the previous call for absolutely nothing, it's nothing short of a joke and a clear mistake. no discussion whatsoever, he HAS to give that.


yeah, i agree with your reasoning especially because there is no video ref

but honestly this is not how refs should think in general, the game needs correct calls
the best outcome here would have been to cancel the inter penalty with VAR and not to interfere with the other one
unfortunately the el is not big enough yet or whatever reason there is
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Mar 7 2019 03:14pm
Quote (ampoo @ 7 Mar 2019 21:55)
yeah, i agree with your reasoning especially because there is no video ref

but honestly this is not how refs should think in general, the game needs correct calls
the best outcome here would have been to cancel the inter penalty with VAR and not to interfere with the other one
unfortunately the el is not big enough yet or whatever reason there is


see that's the point. a penalty WOULD have been a correct call. again, slightly on the 'soft' side, but certainly worth a penalty. context matters.
had it been a dive, your reasoning would make sense to me - two wrongs obviously don't make a right. unlike lautaro, however, haller was actually hit.

maybe the ref thought the same about the 'two wrongs', and while trying to be 'principled', he actually made another shitty call for an even shittier reason: valuing his own ego over justice - that'd make it even worse imo.
that's speculation ofc, but not entirely baseless: refs DO get feedback and i think they sometimes even review scenes during half-time (at least i saw that in a documentation about bundesliga refs), so it's not unlikely he knew he messed up there.
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Mar 7 2019 03:19pm
Quote (fender @ 7 Mar 2019 22:14)
see that's the point. a penalty WOULD have been a correct call. again, slightly on the 'soft' side, but certainly worth a penalty. context matters.
had it been a dive, your reasoning would make sense to me - two wrongs obviously don't make a right. unlike lautaro, however, haller was actually hit.

maybe the ref thought the same about the 'two wrongs', and while trying to be 'principled', he actually made another shitty call for an even shittier reason: valuing his own ego over justice - that'd make it even worse imo.
that's speculation ofc, but not entirely baseless: refs DO get feedback and i think they sometimes even review scenes during half-time (at least i saw that in a documentation about bundesliga refs), so it's not unlikely he knew he messed up there.


feedback and extra reviews for refs at half time should be forbidden in my opinion, especially when there is no VAR
but it does exist, you are certainly right about that

"a penalty WOULD have been a correct call"

dont get me wrong, it is justified to give a penalty
but its also a judgement call that should not be changed, when a video ref is around, thats all
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Mar 7 2019 03:23pm
What a freekick by Willian :drool:
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Mar 7 2019 04:15pm
did anyone watch the napoli match? if the result reflects the balance of the game, they surely have to be favourites to win the EL now, salzburg was really strong so far...
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Mar 7 2019 05:22pm
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did anyone watch the napoli match? if the result reflects the balance of the game, they surely have to be favourites to win the EL now, salzburg was really strong so far...


If they meet Chelsea or Arsenal, they are out.
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Mar 7 2019 05:27pm
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If they meet Chelsea or Arsenal, they are out.


chelsea maybe 50/50, against arsenal i'd consider them clear favourites tbh...
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Mar 7 2019 05:29pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 8 2019 01:27am)
chelsea maybe 50/50, against arsenal i'd consider them clear favourites tbh...


Don't know why but I feel that against a better team Napoli can't make their usual game and outrun their condition.
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Mar 8 2019 08:03pm
Quote (fender @ 8 Mar 2019 00:15)
did anyone watch the napoli match? if the result reflects the balance of the game, they surely have to be favourites to win the EL now, salzburg was really strong so far...



Nah Salzburg played pretty well. Unfortunately they didn’t use their chances while napoli did. I would say if they scored an away goal Salzburg would still be up for the challenge but I don’t think they can score 3 at home while not conceding 1.

I think this EL is Napoli or Chelsea to win. If they meet eachother I hope it’s gonna be in the final.
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