As somebody that barely watches Bundesliga anymore: for me that is rather a booking for sanches than rewarding that show with a penalty
Acts like somebody wrestles him down completely
Grabbing the shirt himself that is definitely not something one has to go down for.

sanches pushes him off, he pulls his shirt, both are running. sanches tries to cut back, fails and hits his own leg, and then just goes to the ground after BOTH of them did not play completely cleanly previously, but again - that's something you see dozens of times in each match. if that's not the definition of a soft penalty, i don't know if we're really talking about the same sport.

but hey, i guess it's easier to just label everyone disagreeing with your biased views a 'bayern hater' and 'retard' or 'moron'... a very solid and rational 'point'.

you must be talking about a different sport then

shirt grabbing is not allowed
i repeat, it is against the rules

i guess a guy needs to be naked on the pitch then before the referee can make a call

people who like doing that should stop playing football and send a job application to adidas, they might need some guys testing the material

This post was edited by ampoo on Oct 31 2018 02:49pm

i already addressed that by acknowledging that BOTH didn't play 100% clean, sanches ALSO grabs the shirt and pushes, he only goes to the ground AFTER he messes up his cut back. if you're THAT strict each game will have dozens of penalties. it's so hilarious how act like you don't have the slightest bit of common sense and knowledge about the realities of football just to defend your initial claim that this wasn't a soft penalty. must be hard to be so incredibly biased that you can't even admit to such blatantly obvious truths...

in case your forgot, i constantly speak out against the unfair play in football that has become normal

that includes the daily elbow when fighting for a header, goalkeepers almost killing opponents and especially the constant and ridiculous shirt grabbing and wrestling moves at every single set piece
i have repeatedly stated that the refs should be instructed to finally adress the problem, they are calling the same kind of holding in midfield 100% of the time

just because these fouls are tolerated it does not mean that the behavior is legal, thats not an argument
i am dealing with this shit every week myself, because it is known in the area that i am a set piece specialist
so usually i have a hand on my shirt before my mate is even ready to make the kick

it wasnt gravity that made the jersey of sanches bend that way and the opponent continues to hold him, thats a penalty
i dont have to "defend" my claim (the typical fender argument), its a fact, end of story

in other discussions you were the "rulebook guy" here

l2r, BOTH players are playing a little dirty. i would agree that the amateur does slightly more, hence my claim that it's a 'soft penalty', not 'definitely no penalty' - and it's still a FACT that sanches only goes to the ground AFTER he messes up his move.
and while i agree that something doesn't become 'legal' when just enough people do it, that's still a flawed argument - not only because i never claimed otherwise and clearly stated that it was 'not clean' from either party, but also because that 'logic' completely ignores the realities and habits of professional football.

it's one thing if you want to change that or disagree with it - for elbows, followthroughs, and blatant shirt grabbing by just ONE player i have no problem with that, but to only ever make that point when the club you are biased towards is affected is completely transparent, dishonest, and also just plain wrong if you take regular professional football conventions into account - and in this particular situation neither player acted 100% according to the rules that you just wished had to be enforced more strictly, so that no one can rightfully claim that bayern got some weak penalties against a 4th league team...

This post was edited by fender on Oct 31 2018 03:37pm

Can cut the sexual tension with a knife.

Get a room boys.

apparently you have strange homoerotic phantasies... what part exactly would you describe as 'sexual'?

Bickering like a married couple my son.

strange analogy. how does a married couple's bickering translate to 'sexual tension'? wouldn't it rather be the exact opposite of that? irvincel strikes again...