Quote (fender @ 28 Apr 2016 07:54)
while you sure make a lot of valid points here and i absolutely agree that atlético's style of defending has much more skill and tactic involved than chelsea's, i would not overrate the number of CALLED fouls and cards given from yesterday's match. that had much to do with a very inconsistant ref when it came to calls and individual punishment - and the usual acting performance you get when playing in madrid. and let's not forget the different nature of "fouls" that occur when teams with completely different playstyles (one possession and passing oriented, the other one pressing and counter attacking) are involved...
tbf I think the ref's performance last night was ok in the fouls department. At least, with Bayern fouling 5 more times, I wouldn't say that his performance was significant enough to impact on the fact that Atlético performed less fouls than Bayern.
Also, I realized I made a mistake where I said Chelsea made 3 fouls less than Barça in the first leg of semis; it's 3 fouls more. So, I think there's a notable difference there when Atlético is making 5 less and Chelsea is making 2, 3 and a whopping 12 more fouls than the opposition.
The idea was not so much to compare Atlético's fouls with Bayern's, but Atlético's with Chelsea, as they are the ones that have the similar playstyle.
Quote (chelsea11 @ 28 Apr 2016 04:31)
Yeah my bad... Obviously I mean 11/12, first time I've ever made that mistake. We will see if atletico will win it this year, but you can't say chelsea did worse than them, if anything they did better because they actually won it. All these stats you are showing doesn't mean shit. Look at the possession atletico was down, 80-20?none of these shots/corners/fouls mean anything.
Also this bayern team is pretty fking pathetic... And they played barca while messi/neymar are half asleep, and barca usually has bad def. so if messi/neymar isn't sleeping they are fked
It was 72-28 in both Barça-Chelsea games, and 71-29 in yesterday's game, so they had the same possesion. Chelsea only had greater possession than Atlético in the fina, when they had 44% against Bayern's 56%.
Now that actually makes things worse for Chelsea. With the same or more possesion than Atlético, they commit more fouls and concede more shots on targets and cornerkicks...
And, while I hope Atlético doesn't win the CL, ending up without the trophy won't make them worse than Chelsea if they keep defending like this. If Chelsea played just like in 2012 for 20 years and Atlético played like last night for 20 years, it's almost certain that Atlético would end up winning more CL's than Chelsea in that period.
This post was edited by zarkadon on Apr 28 2016 03:28am