well that sounds a lot different than "they will trigger it early next year" - so it WAS just speculation and NOT an official time frame... just like i said.



sry, but that's an incredibly childish argument. want to elaborate what specifically have the evil EU bureaucrats made you wait for so long that you now leave all 28 (yes, including the uk) members and their economies in uncertainty? just 2 examples from the top of your head?
and what is there to sort out? you have a new leadership, you want to leave, the details of that will be negotiated AFTER triggering article 50. again with the vague statements...

When did I ever call the EU bureaucrats evil? That's a childish statement.

Again, it's not about the negotiations with the EU that are stalling it, it's about what WE aim to achieve from them, which is still up in the air and needs sorting before any negotiations begin.

What's the point in talking to the EU when our negotiations team don't understand exactly what we want yet?

With all the "We'll make the UK pay dearly for this" nonsense who gives a shit about your economies. (that's childish)

i think you missed the point. as i stated before, it's perfectly understandable that after cameron ragequit it was basically impossible to trigger article 50 immediately.
give them a reasonable amount of time to find a new leadership? of course! they had that and did that.
if they had said at that point " listen guys, we still need time to sort things out, give us until february 2017, we'll trigger art. 50 then" that might not have been the best case scenario but still acceptable imo.

what's completely unacceptable and potentially hurting ALL economies completely unnecessarily is the fact that they don't commit at all, they are stalling and wasting precious time. reminds me of the greece negotiations to be honest...

but yeah, that also was not at all what you posted before where you claimed it was a matter of opinion if they set a date or not, i liked this post (apart from the unnecessary butthurt diplomat part) better...

you did not say "evil" at all. i never claimed you did though so what "statement" are you referring to? i merely phrased it like it came across due to context and your own reasoning (they allegedly made you "wait", therefore "justifying" making the EU wait - it clearly indicates you don't think very highly of them. see? i can judge such things - unlike you apparently when i'm talking about farage for example). that being said, what did those bureaucrats make you wait for that now "justifies" the stalling? you still haven't provided a single example...

also, who said they would "make the UK pay dearly for brexit"? and why would you "punish" every member, including yourself, for it? that's very childish indeed but again sounds more like something you just made up - please feel free to provide some sort of proof or source, if the majority of leaders from big EU members did that, i'd even agree with you and say fuck them, no one should be deliberately punished for making a democratically justified decision within the rules of the EU.