@schnoig
football is still a contact sport and please dont tell me that any official saw this tiny contact
in the prem they would laugh about this scene
Quote (MindlessSpam @ 19 Apr 2017 13:45)
There really can't be different opinions on Real being the better team over the time of both legs. They created more and better chances, their gameplan and execution on the pitch seemed more mature and "better" and they had slightly to majorly better performances on most individual positions when compared.
Therefore, I think anyone saying they went through and eliminated Bayern completely undeserved is just not being honest / objective.
On the other hand, Bayern critics shouldn't deny the fact that being the better team alone doesn't win you games or trophies (several CL games come to mind). Bayern, despite being the worse team for 80-90% of the time, still had a decent chance to turn things around and after Ramos' OG I don't even think it was unlikely they would. 11 vs 11 could have been a totally different game in overtime.
Then again, Bayern also got the chance to decide the first leg when they were awarded a completely undeserved penalty. Vidal took it and unfortunately for Bayern, he simply cracked under the pressure, which (for example) Ronaldo didn't. While Vidal missed, Ronaldo scored a volley with his weak foot... as much as I don't really like him, situations like these show why he is basically his own brand making millions, while Vidal obviously isn't.
Other than that, I think especially the WBs made a huge difference: Not criticizing Lahm for his displays really, as he was often left alone by Robben and had decent games... then again, Marcelo didn't have any support by Ronaldo either, but still managed to properly defend and be a constant offensive threat, going as far as being the reason for Lahm defending 1vs2 most of the time.
Alaba was even worse and he's pretty much only a shadow of his former self... no threatening offensive presence whatsoever and he was getting schooled by any given opponent and especially by Carvajal time after time. Being made a CB after Martinez' red card in the first leg didn't help him either.
Unlike Real, Bayern basically had too many no-shows by players you'd expect to perform way better. Thiago (in general, but also compared to Kroos) was invisible in both legs, making wrong decisions all over the place and basically not doing anything meaningful except for 2 passes. Vidal (for the sake of it compare him to Modric) was basically done after missing the penalty and even though the second yellow card was undeserved when given, he shouldn't have been on the field at that time anyway. Xabi's performance was underwhelming, Kimmich basically ignored all his duties (and commons football sense) when he came on and Müller's displays were crap as well. Especially with Müller I don't understand the Bayern supporters who are constantly demanding him to be a starter. Even though Ancelotti's overall gameplan seemed flawed in the first leg (they basically played like Lewandowski was there, when in fact he wasn't...), there is still much more you could ask of Müller, even when being used out of position. All he showed was a complete lack of physicality & anticipation, paried even with some instances of looking like a 5th league amateur with regards to technique. With most of his usual confidence gone (which partially made him world classs while in form), what kind of positive influence on the game do people really expect from him being used? When he came on in the second leg, he basically wanted to point the way for his team towards a more aggressive, dedicated playstyle, but all he did was to attempt a dumb and useless tackle against Casemiro (who had played 80 minutes more than Müller) instead of going for a sprint duel or just a tactical foul. Half of Ronaldo's first goal is Müller's fault, but people ignore this.
i agree with a lot of what you said, the full backs were the main difference in these games
carvajal and especially marcelo took a giant dump on our boys in all aspects
fully agreed on most players too, lahm, alaba, thiago, xabi
not on kimmich and müller though
i dont blame kimmich for anything, its tough to get into such a game when your coach almost ignored him after winter break for no reason, when he was among our best players
and my boy müller, i dont get why he gets so much shit
second leg showed how lewa was just as isolated as müller was and had zero impact with the wingers we have
obviously he is overplayed and has shown mediocre stuff, while still being a top assisting player btw ^^
you do forget how müller immediately created some presence that we didnt have which directly caused the own goal
and defending on the goal....didnt look good however witha decent midfield he would never have needed to go in there and of course its not easy to get to casemiro at that angle
even with several guys going missing we were always equal with 11 guys, madrid being better 80-90% of the time? not really imo ^^